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I'm almost positive Massey had nothing to do with the C62 other than it was sold in red. It's all Gleaner. Even where the cylinder is located is like the natural flow rotor location. I don't see a thing about it that looks like it came from a Massey.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote tbran Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Aug 2020 at 1:36pm
1. it was Gleaner - used the threshing grate /accel rolls etc.
2. After talking to a few old hands I remember the demise of the
L4 - seems they didn't pay for the parts.... and Deutz Allis didn't have security filing on the the units produced.  Thus credit was the demise... remember it was the '80's...
 
Also the C62 was sold mainly in Canada - had a friend who was a dealer - really pitched a fit when they were discontinued.  They had some initial belt seal issues but searching the service bulletins finds they were pretty update , trouble free.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Lonn Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Aug 2020 at 1:48pm
My sales brochure for the L4 is dated either 1990 or 1991 so they must have made them at least that long.
Found a sales brochure on line just now that is dated 1991.



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Originally posted by VAfarmboy VAfarmboy wrote:

Originally posted by FREEDGUY FREEDGUY wrote:

I've never had the opportunity to run wheat, does it take a lot of power to run wheat being clipped 4-5 inches down from the heads ? We run a 15' header on an F2 in 60 bushel beans, but perhaps this is not a fair comparison Embarrassed . Thanks again for all of your replies !!


Years ago I got into some 80-100 bushel wheat with dad's old Deere 4400 with a 13' header once and the biggest problem was elevator capacity.  It was just more wheat than that machine (designed when 40 bushels of wheat was a bumper crop) could handle. 
 
Thanks for that reply farmboy Smile. Like I mentioned, I've never ran wheat Big smileBig smile. Is the amount of "straw" a limiting factor as far as capacity ?
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Originally posted by tbran tbran wrote:

2. After talking to a few old hands I remember the demise of the
L4 - seems they didn't pay for the parts.... and Deutz Allis didn't have security filing on the the units produced.  Thus credit was the demise... remember it was the '80's...
 
Very interesting! My 1991 brochure  (Probably the same as Lonn's) calls the company "The L4 Corporation". It says the factory in Mexico was a former joint venture partner with A-C, but at the time of the L4 was totally Mexican owned, and they had 10 years experience in manufacturing L3 combines (but 1991-1983 = 8 ?)

Anyway, it says they had the tooling and license rights for the L series combine. Having license rights would legally allow them to manufacture the L-series combine, right? So if I correctly interpreted what Tim said, this "L4 Corporation" was buying parts to build the machines from Duetz, but didn't pay for them, they lost their credit, and went under? 

Also...what is a security filing? 

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AC -Deutz Allis or Agco  - timeline overlaps - had no way to control or obtain a security interest in a product that bore a name owned by them.  There were several forces at work. The company from AC to DA to the formation of AGCO had a export sales force that may have had something to do with the allowing of the L4 to be - but that cannot be substantiated by anyone I could find - just rumors.  The poor credit came from a reliable source.  As long as the machines were in Mexico there was nothing Agco could do - but when they crossed over into the US violation of trademarks and patents came into play but the young Agco had not an abundance of cash for legal battles..
The best I can remember one of the Agco execs was adamantly opposed to , as stated, the L4 Corp.  Took some time for him to win.  
   
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The plant is still in business although a slight name change.
acfabrication.com

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That is neat to know, Tim. Your stories and wealth of knowledge never disappoint!
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Originally posted by gleaner1 gleaner1 wrote:

The plant is still in business although a slight name change.
acfabrication.com

Very Interesting!!




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We have a Mexican L2, Air conditioning and hydro, its a corn/soybean special and doesnt have a heater, imagine that. :) 301 engine. Tan interior,but a different foam/vinyl, and the seat is the same a L.

Much better rear deck, heavier and has a little added support. fit and finish is relatively poor, mixture of rivets,

Dad got to speak with the original owner, who bought it from Schmidt and sons in KS, IIRC save 20 grand over a US model. major hyd. problems, assumed tank wasnt cleaned after drilling and welding fittings. Schmidt stepped up and tore everything down and cleaned it up, put it back together, no issues after that. He traded it for a US model a few years later.

Its SN 008.

Ill try to add pics when I get time.

Gleaner: the properly engineered and built combine.

If you need parts for your Gleaner, we are parting out A's through L2's, so we may be able to help.
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I would say corn it's running out of cleaning capacity is an issue same as wheat. Beans it's hp shortage grinding through tough stems. 
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Originally posted by Calvin Schmidt Calvin Schmidt wrote:

Originally posted by FREEDGUY FREEDGUY wrote:

I've never had the opportunity to run wheat, does it take a lot of power to run wheat being clipped 4-5 inches down from the heads ? We run a 15' header on an F2 in 60 bushel beans, but perhaps this is not a fair comparison Embarrassed . Thanks again for all of your replies !!

Combine capacity in wheat is more about cleaning capacity. Corn it's power 
With my 1981 L2 I never ran out of power doing corn or soybeans. That's running a 6 row corn head and only a 15 foot bean head. On corn I would always run out of sieve capacity before power. Beans it would be feeding issues if it was tough. I got the feeding mostly worked out within a couple years. If I ran a 20 foot bean head maybe horse power would be an issue, I don't know but in corn it was always cleaning capacity. On flat ground with 200 bu/acre and 18% moisture or less I could travel at 4-1/2 mph with the 6 row before I ran out of cleaning capacity. Wetter corn say over 20% or 22% I would lose 1 mph due to cleaning capacity. That's my experience anyhow.
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