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1950 B Hydraulic Cylinders Questions

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Cool...just needed a sanity check.

So after soaking last night and all day, then pressure washing again. It appears that the cylinders and valve are working much better. There is a much smoother lift (versus jerky), but the resting neutral position is a little less desirable. Wish there was more response instead of being spongy. Sometimes it returns to hold other times it creeps up and a few times it creeps down and most I have to set.

Take away is that holds pressure and nothing is leaking. Will test it out tomorrow on a sprayed area to see what sorta stress it takes.

Getting excited!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote cdsloop Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Jun 2020 at 9:01pm
MD, I have a 1950 B as well. I think I see your problem with holding in neutral.
The plate circled should be flat. Someone has fitter rough with the lever, or something hit and bent it. That plate and the one to the right/outside of it should slide next to each other independently. Here is a picture that I took of my valve a few minutes ago.

Note that my lever and axle is missing, I’m in the middle of a major repair. But you can see that my plate is flat and not bent like yours.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote SC_MudDuck Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Jun 2020 at 10:06pm
I was starting to think the same way but needed more knowledge.

Sooooo...how flat does it have to be? Where can I buy another if I screw it up? I included those plates in my replacement parts list from agco.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote steve(ill) Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Jun 2020 at 10:17pm
Good Catch CD... the plates dont need to be perfectly flat... they just need to move EASILY with respect to each other.. you can move them by hand , full stroke to check... you might be able to bend by grabbing with a pair of pliers instead of just buying new.
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Just wasn’t sure if it were tool steel or a punch/cast piece. Initially thinking of a little MC Hammer persuasion but like the finesse work of the pliers assassin. Calculated yet precise!!! Many thanks on this, I’ll you know tomorrow how it goes!
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[QUOTE=SC_MudDuck]Just wasn’t sure if it were tool steel or a punch/cast piece. Initially thinking of a little MC Hammer persuasion but like the finesse work of the pliers assassin. Calculated yet precise!!! Many thanks on this, I’ll you know tomorrow how it goes![/QUOTE

It's mild steel. Id try straighten in position. Should be perfect enough.
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Hello friends. Test complete. Yes flattening our the plate made an improvement to response but not so much with getting back to neutral position.

Also found out that I cannot spin a BushHog SQ600 fast enough to cut 2,4-D sprayed grass. If the tractor is 540rpm and the bush hog is 540 rpm it should work, right? So...how can I measure how fast my PTO is spinning under load?

Another lesson learned is that I don’t have enough stroke to lift the bush hog high enough to mitigate a 6” embankment... Kinda frustrated, had high expectations. Any thoughts?
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You need to know the ratio of the gear box.... You mark the blade position, then turn the PTO shaft one revolution and see how far the gear box output shaft ( blade) moves... If it goes around  ONCE for every revolution of the input, then it is 540 RPM.. If it goes aroudn 1.5 times per rev of the input, then it is 540 x 1.5 ... then it is 810 rpm


I looked up the SQ600... it says it is a 60 inch chopper made for a 25- 40 HP tractor.. You would be lucky to get 25 HP from the B... maybe just over 20...... Mower will work good in  6- 12 inch field grass, but you dont have the HP to go thru a  2 ft deep field.


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I have a HEAVY disc i use on my B... It can not pick it up off the ground... I take off the top link and just pickup the FRONT of the disc and let the tail wheel set on the ground in the BACK..
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Mud Duck, here's a page on the web from Rod in NH about rebuilding your hydraulic cylinders. Also has lots of other info you'll probably be interested in too if you go back to the main page. http://rodnh.byethost12.com/
 
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Thanks for the link chaskaduo! Good information for sure!

She started leaking again at the packing so I tightened everything up as tight as I could. Will continue to watch. If she leaks again I will be repacking the cylinders under tutelage found in Ron’s information page.
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On my C I bolted an extension piece to the two hole in the rock start if was about 8" long so doubling the length of the cultivator lift arms to have enough swing to lift my snow plow higher. You could use only one cylinder. With one cylinder my C would lift the front of the tractor even with my 240lb brother standing on the front cultivator bar. It did manage to lift a 8x16' building high enough to get cement blocks under it. Your cobbled 3 pt is pretty wrong. The lower plow mounts that the arms are attached to need reinforced. I wound up welding a cross bar to the front of them to keep the lugs in the lower castings. With the short arms on the rock shaft connected that far back on the lower lift arms your going to have very little vertical lift. And it looks like the arms placed that far foward your not even close to having the ends 14" Bach from the end of the PTO shaft.
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Hmmm...  Thanks DD!  I think I can visualize what you are saying.  Could you please provide a pic for clarity? 

I will do some Google imaging to see if I can piece it together in the meantime.
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DAve is saying this area with the PINS dont look too healthy..   One option is to take something like a 3 x 3 angle iron over 3 ft long and mount between the two final drives.. and then attache the lower arms to the angle... or install a factory drawbar ( or similar) , and mount the arms to it..

 
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This looks quite a bit stronger


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So it appears I will be re-packing the cylinders, as they continue to leak. 

As for the 3 pt hitch, that's a major modification that is out of my skillset.  May take me some time to make this improvement.

Not sure where the factory drawbar mounts to the rear drives.
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each final drive has two holes for mounting a drawbar or cross bar. One hole is threaded and one is not. The bracket CHASE shows above pilots into the final drive case and the "hole" is to stick a 5/8 inch bolt thru and bolt into the final.. you would have one bracket on each side... when mounted, the bracket looks something like this.

actually, if you look close, there are TWO holes in front of the axle and TWO holes behind ( which have the bracket in them) on each side.




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This is a great thread, lots of good links with good information. I am on the same road as the OP, only further behind, working to get my hydraulics functional.

I know the pressure specs for the pump (3200 psi). I will probably have to have the hose made. What size should the hose be, outside diameter specifically. I called around yesterday to get some feelers, and that was one of two questions I got, the other being the connections at the ends. 




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Where can you get allis chalmers b hydraulic cyclinder rods at I need a few
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