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jaybmiller 
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 Topic: D14 brakes and seal
Posted: 03 Mar 2020 at 10:11am |
OK, finally decided this would be a GREAT week to replace the carrier oil seal, seeing how I found the pkg of 6 I bought back in 2015. Shoes were a tad oil soaked, so new ones being rebuilt as I have 2 sets of B and not D here....sigh. I installed 2 seals as there was lots of room,hope the correct cops dont see that 'upgrade'.
Query...I'm assuming the 5th hole in the carrier shims goes to to '12 oclock' position ? So far only one bandaid.... ... though the right side is wet now... dbl sigh
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Posted: 03 Mar 2020 at 3:15pm |
 I put 2 carrier oil seals in as shaft was worn and there's enough space ! Still wondering what the 5th, smaller , hole is for on te 4 shims.....oh well, progress....need to 'unloa' the tire ....
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Posted: 04 Mar 2020 at 4:36pm |
Looks like you are well into it now! May as well do the other side too then you are good for another 50 years or so. Why are you putting two seals in? Will still leak in 50 years. Can you show a pic of that shim? Would that 5th hole be oil drain?
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Posted: 04 Mar 2020 at 5:36pm |
Hay Ed The 'cavity' where the seal goes was deep enough to put to seals in and the axle shaft has some grooves in it. An extra $6 seal didn't break the bank. I used National Seal # 471765. They may be thinner than the originals, 230851. The differential dwg, pg 157, sows the seal as #14 and wide, maybe 1/2". I'm thinking the new seal will ride on a good part of the axle. Well, that's my theory. Same dwg show the 5th hole at 12o'clock, but still have no idea WHY the hole. It's maybe 1/4", same as the 'pivot pin' for the brake lever parts.... Yeah, I'll do the other side AFTER I get the new shoes installed and Troy on the road again. The sad thing is the old shoes looked real new, but 100% oil soaked. 'Fun' part will be sliding the axle back into the diff..
In the meantime, my truck blew a brake line and in the shop..... hmmm that's 2 of 3....... Jay
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Posted: 04 Mar 2020 at 8:51pm |
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Yes the seal will put a pretty good groove in an axle. You can get a speedi sleeve for it if it is too bad but they are expensive. Usually $20 or so for each one. Good luck on the brake lines. I finally did all of them on my old GMC after patching a couple times. 😀
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Posted: 05 Mar 2020 at 9:43am |
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local mechanic did the truck, 2 new front steel lines and 2 flex lines....not too bad foe a '97 F150....
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Posted: 05 Mar 2020 at 4:24pm |
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Jay, Just put the final drives back on my '57 D-14. Hate to say how long they have been on the shop floor. The new brake linings seemed to be too thick. Had to pull the assembly back off a few times and sand down the linings. Finally got it to turn with a piece of board bolted on the wheel for a lever. Thank heavens I invested in a rolling shop crane a few years ago. Made lifting the final drives easier but not easy. Bob@allisdowneast.
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Posted: 05 Mar 2020 at 4:52pm |
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Some of the NEW drums are what's too thick...had that happen a few times now, unless you had used drums. A&I had problems with them here a while back and if you took about .20 thousandths off the NEW drums, everything was fine. Come to find out they were too thick from the factory. This was roughly about 1 year ago? Rick
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Posted: 05 Mar 2020 at 5:43pm |
sad thing is the oil soaked linings were as thick as the brand new B linings ,I ,um, kinda misordered , 6 years ago.... I've heard horror stories about removing the drums, so on it stayed ! hoping I get the call tomorrow that the new shoes are ready.... sad thing is 4 new brake lines installed in the F150 cost me MORE than the D14 did 20 years ago.
I have an overhead Ibeam and final sits pretty level using a strap on chain hoist. Saves me trying to weld up a special 'install jig', well 2, right side 'should' be done...later... only 14 days until Spring !!
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Posted: 05 Mar 2020 at 9:59pm |
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Jay, I have changed seals on 3 D14's and I cleaned up the shoes every time. Washed them with gas and ether and then dried them out with the torch and they have stayed good on all three tractors. Just don't throw the old shoes away. I don't think the holes in the shims matter much but I put them back the way they sat coming off. I did check for bearing pre-load and it was time to remove one shim on each side, after running for 60 years or close to it, some clearance in the bearing is to be expected. It sure is nice to get the brakes working good again.
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Posted: 06 Mar 2020 at 6:08am |
Hay Eric, I sprayed a whole can of brake cleaner /compressed at at one and it STILL 'bled' out so took shoes in for relining. While I don't use Troy for real farming,having a left brake will be nice. I've had zero interest for the B brake kits,cost more to ship 'south of the 49th' than you guys can buy there, sigh. With 4"+ of 'Shamless donation' here, I may weld up a 'final drive install jig'.
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Posted: 06 Mar 2020 at 7:49am |
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Jay get about 2” of gasoline in a clean 5 gal pail and let your shoes soak over nite. They should come out nice. The brake clean nowadays is useless. Just a great source of income for the parts store!
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Posted: 06 Mar 2020 at 7:04pm |
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Jay
Your question about the '5th hole' in the shim:
The D-14 Parts Catalog, page 157, shows shim with 5th hole at the top.
Gary
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Posted: 06 Mar 2020 at 7:15pm |
Picked up my new shoes at 4 today....took 3hrs to 'persuade' the final drive to line up and get snugged down. BEFORE I do the right side I WILL weld up an 'alignment carrier' . That has to be easier than 2 chain hoists and a cumalong... Wonder what shops use ?
It'd be interesting to see how the factory did it. Would love to know what the 5th hole is for. Oh well, no bandaids today and less parts splattered all over the garage, so a good day.
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Posted: 06 Mar 2020 at 9:21pm |
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Sorry to hear about your trouble Jay... I have never had that problem, the final drive normally slips into place in less than one minute. I make sure it's hanging at the perfect angle, generally hitched so I can adjust the approach angle. Then I look into the diff making note of the position of the spline, then I take note of the spline on the axle shaft and carefully adjust it to match for slipping into place. If need be you can grab the flange of the axle stub and wiggle it slightly and in it goes. There is high risk of damaging the new seal by trying too long. You can always take out two of the studs - kitty corner - then install longer studs for a more perfect alignment.
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Posted: 07 Mar 2020 at 10:06am |
Well Troy is on the road again ! Only cost another bandaid and 2 hours this morning. Not used to a left brake, feels weird...Once the 12" high density white, that you-know-who 'donated' yesterday goes away , I'll setup the brakes better. I WILL make a 'jig' defore I tackle the right side though. Thanks for all the support ! I really should replace the PTO lever O-ring..sigh, that looks challenging though.
Jay
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