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    Posted: 06 Jan 2020 at 5:04pm
farmer north of me liming the heck out of farm acreage, paid $14,000 an acre for. several dumptrucks with pups by today and big wheeled sprayers running all day. second time this winter. what you'all think goin on?
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If he's from Jersey, probably buried a bunch of bodies. Wink
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Dad always said when spreading lime, it had to be on thick enough to track a rabbit or a waste of money.  I just use it on the yard over the lateral field to help break up the soil.
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Lime is for correcting PH. That's what it's used for here anyway and why I pay soil lab every 2 yrs.
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Cargill has a free something for farmers to spread on the fields. some kind of by-product. they have a company hired to deliver it and spread it. dunno what it is but several farmers in the area has spread the stuff on their fields this winter.
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I'm still choking at the 14K per acre !! I know lime 'sweetens' the soil but WHAT do you grow that will PAY for the land ??
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Like Steve says; for correcting ph. Correct ph balance in the soil allows the crops to utilize the fertilizer to the maximum. I have heard that big city water works departments give away lime that they remove from the city water supply. Doesn't sound like it could amount to much, but I guess it gets hauled out by the truck loads. Darrel
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I do two tons per acre on my hay fields cost me $34 a ton delivered and spread. At $14000 an acre I don’t know what he is doing?
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Originally posted by Red Bank Red Bank wrote:

I do two tons per acre on my hay fields cost me $34 a ton delivered and spread. At $14000 an acre I don’t know what he is doing?
Pretty sure the $14K an acre is the purchase price of the land, not the treatments.
 
What do you grow to pay for it?  A LOT!  You don't take out a loan to pay that much, you already have a sh!t ton of money and decide to increase your land base with it.  When you do that, you have to make the soil right to make a profit on an income versus operating expense basis.  Then you get a ROI from the cash you had to buy the land over and above it just sitting in a bank at .2% APR. 
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Tbone said it well
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Pretty sure the $14K an acre is the purchase price of the land, not the treatments.
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[/QUOTE] I misread that this morning my fault. Lol I was thinking that’s a lot of lime
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Originally posted by Red Bank Red Bank wrote:


Pretty sure the $14K an acre is the purchase price of the land, not the treatments.
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I misread that this morning my fault. Lol I was thinking that’s a lot of lime [/QUOTE]
I almost misunderstood it too.  That would be one heckuva lot of lime!LOL
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You are probably missing the "lime" thingy,--More that likely it's sewage sludge from town!--They pay farmers around here to let them spread that chit on their land, so your 14k guy is getting probably 10 bucks a ton or more cash for them spreading on his land.
Something to consider! ---I wouldn't allow it on my farm for any price. ---too much bad stuff in it and NO plant food!
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Lime does more that raise PH, we use the heck of it in clay ground as it helps let water penetrate the soil over years of applications, allows unused fertilizer to become available as well. We spread ~4 tons of wet lime per acre annually. Can be had for next to free plus hauling. Most I have ever seen was around 18$ per ton.
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Gonna find out the price in a little while. Boys said soil samples were in. I know it improves stands of alalafa. Gonna get the stuff that is available to the crop next spring. Might have them toss a bag of red clover in and some p and k.
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We have acidic soils here, used to have MFA service spread lime but they quit, not enough money in it. Can get the ultrafine lime delivered here by truck at close to that $34/t figure but have no way to spread it. Looking at spreader buggies currently to see if can get something worth buying to do that.
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guy that owns land is a commodities broker in chicago whose folks still own land around here. heard he uses it for tax and losses purposes for his brokerage firm. trucks that brought product to spread were stainless steel bed dump trucks with ss pups behind. spread all day yesterday, has about 2500-3000 acres in immediate area. big farmin at it's best. lol.
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I wish I could do lime right now. By the time the crops came off the lime piles were frozen. You can’t get any. Sometimes you can get “beet lime”, a byproduct of sugar making, sometimes you can’t. Dolomitic lime is low $40’s per acre, beet lime about $25-$30 per acre.
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Quarries around here screen the tailings to the Finer powder just for Ag use. Don't give it away but is a byproduct of selling clean rock so is low cost to them.
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Well, I'm gonna take a risk and ask: What about this "Liquid Calcium" I keep hearing about? Never sure if something I don't have experience with is a scam or not.
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He is just trying to get 400bpa corn to pay for the land. Should be no problem.😆
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What is Beet Lime? We always use high Mag with little calcium course wet lime and it’s a harder find. Is that beet lime something processed or organic?
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I wanted to add something about the effects of liming fields. Around here in red clay ground some say it’s a waste of time. My father has been doing heavy applications for about 50 years and he always said it make the ground softer when there is a little moisture in it. I was putting in drain tile about 3ft deep and noticed a dramatic difference in the field vrs the waterway (not limed area) when I crossed the main field. I know this isn’t going to happen over night, but it does work and I now lime all ground and waterways twice if I have extra. I think it helps the micro organisms work in the ground better to help keep it from going stale. JMO
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Originally posted by allisbred allisbred wrote:

What is Beet Lime? We always use high Mag with little calcium course wet lime and it’s a harder find. Is that beet lime something processed or organic?
 
It is a byproduct of extracting sugar from sugar beets.  It's not quite as potent as dolomitic lime, but works.  Price per acre of pH correction still works out to be cheaper, though you want to find it nearby, because it can be wet/ heavy. 
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We aren’t using lime for ph correction unless it’s new ground, mostly more as a conditioner. I’ll look into this. Thank you
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Around here, we have Gypsum quarries.  Gypsum is great at conditioning clay, more so than lime I would think.  But, you have to use what you have economically available.  Gypsum, containing sulfate, can create acidic pH levels, so you have to watch.
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DMiller for a small acreage use a old EZ flow fertilizer spreader box or similar. I did a 20+ acres for a vineyard that way back in 97. I cannot remember if it was 2 or 3 truck loads. Took the lids off and used a loader to dump it in,was slow compared to the big spreaders,but I did some side hill they would of had trouble with. Must of been 3 loads as put the pile out then they decided more was better and got another load. I tried a spinner spreader first and lime was to fine to spread just floated down.



The quarry near me supplied lime for the sugar industry for years. Here they always used 3 x 5 inch screen for sugar rock as they always referred to it. But all sugar production has left the Land of Fruits and Nuts. Now all lime ground to sand or finer. Used in glass making,cattle fed,and ag lime mostly.   

So has sugar refining changed or is the bigger rock broken down in the process so can be used on ag land. Because you sure would not want to add 3 x 5 rocks to your farmland.


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