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D17 diesel starter? problems

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    Posted: 25 Apr 2019 at 11:04am
Hello folks,

I have a d17 and its diesel, not sure of year.

Ran fine, has 12 volt system, alternator hasnt worked for a while.

now wont start, just a hard click when I turn the key to on, but nothing when I attempt to start it.

it has 2 solenoids mounted just front of the battery shelf.

Any suggestions on how to trouble shoot this thing would be greatly appreciated.
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Check the volts at the starter when trying start engine.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote DonDittmar Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Apr 2019 at 11:19am
I solenoid is for the intake air heating element and the other would be for the starter. Dusty has a good test, also check the volts at the battery while attempting to start. Also, see if the engine will roll over by hand just for the H3!! of it........
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote DSeries4 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Apr 2019 at 11:44am
You said the alternator has not worked in a while. Fix it, charge your battery and the tractor will start. A drained battery will make the solenoid click but not turn the starter.

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check and make sure engine isn't locked up. 
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it has a fully charged battery 13.6 volts
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it appears to be the solenoid... 12.8 on battery side 8.6 on starter side
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Check all the cable/wire joints, it could just be a bad, loose and/or corroded joint/connection.

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I put a new solenoid on it and had the exact same experience

So i pulled the starter and found the bendix stuck in the forward position 

will attempt  an internal clean-up and let you guys know how things worked out, 

side note Ill be changing all of the connections and replacing any questionable wires or cables.
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Originally posted by n17cattle n17cattle wrote:

it appears to be the solenoid... 12.8 on battery side 8.6 on starter side

8.6 should be enough to turn the starter. What is the battery voltage while you are attempting to crank the engine?
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take jumper cables to starter ground on starter body and hot on starter where battery connects to starter if it tries to start work your way back
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Steve in NJ Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Apr 2019 at 12:55pm
The Battery may have 13.6 standing volts, but to make sure its supplying enough power in the crank mode, you need to do a draw test on the Battery to make sure its good.  Do a draw test. If the Battery is good, check & clean your connections. Wouldn't be a bad idea if you took the Starter motor to the local rebuilder and let him run some tests on the unit to make sure that's okay also...  HTH
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The starter was just dirty... internally after a good cleaning and shining my tractor is running again... thanks for the help Gents 

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