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Acdiesel 
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 Topic: HD9 NOT SURE IF THE PRICE IS RIGHT??
Posted: 04 Dec 2018 at 7:40pm |
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D19 diesel,D17 diesel SER.3 D14 NF,D14 WF, D15 SER.II wf
D15 SER.2 DIESEL,D15 ser.II nf
D12 SER.I, D10 Ser.II
2-720'S
Gmc,caterpillar
I'm a pharmacist (farm assist) with a PHD (post hole digger)
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NomoreJohnDeere
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Posted: 04 Dec 2018 at 8:57pm |
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seems resonable
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Sugarmaker
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Posted: 05 Dec 2018 at 9:17am |
Yea that looks like it still has some life in it too. Maybe the bucket doesn't go down?:) I would ask about the same amount for my off color TD6 loader. The undercarriage on this one looks pretty good. Its not setting in the weeds and looks like it moves too. My guess this would weigh around 8 ton???? Regards, Chris
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Ray54
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Posted: 05 Dec 2018 at 1:06pm |
With counter weight more than 10 probably closer to 12. A 60 year old machine with limited parts available, how optimistic do you want to be.
I have spent a fair number of hours on several HD9's and liked them. But market for an of the older crawlers is a bit limited at least in my part of the country.
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Sugarmaker
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Posted: 05 Dec 2018 at 1:57pm |
Ac, I think you need to bring it home! Would go good with your other AC stuff too! Yea 12 ton! But you have the equipment to haul which will save some dollars. Make him a offer. Regards, Chris |
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DougG
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Posted: 05 Dec 2018 at 6:24pm |
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I'm not much into these but seems all AC crawlers this size and under all have no real digging cleats on the tracks? , everything seems all kind of fine close together cleats on an AC , why?
Edited by DougG - 05 Dec 2018 at 6:24pm
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HD6GTOM
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Posted: 05 Dec 2018 at 6:33pm |
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Its a loader it won't have tall grousers on the track like 1 with a blade.
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DMiller
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Posted: 05 Dec 2018 at 7:08pm |
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Problem with adding Dozer grouser shoes is the side stresses applied with a loaded bucket in swings to load a truck or set a stockpile. Hard on lower rollers, harder still on rails and sprockets/finals. Dozers need the grousers to push with not dance on with an added 2500-5000 lbs at arms length. See all manner of old loaders converted to dozer rails/shoes, most times just eats a machine up.
Edited by DMiller - 05 Dec 2018 at 7:08pm
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AC Mel
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Posted: 05 Dec 2018 at 8:54pm |
Ok....as usual I concur with Dave 100%...he beat me to the post..but I can sure add some more to it. The grousers are called different things...STREET PADS....SEMI GROUSER BARS..etc. depending on your parts book. All of the major manufactures...CAT..AC..INTERNATIONAL..all used that type of grousers on there crawler loaders. Besides the things that Dave mentioned..they were more user friendly in the log landings where turning so much just makes more dust. They can also move up and down the pavement to some degree...(maybe that's where ''street pads" came from). All of those manufacturers usually had longer "swing frames" "track frames"..with an extra roller or 2 on the bottom of there crawler loaders for extra support..for the extra "arms length" as Dave says. So the extra track on the ground ads a lot to pushing power too..compared to dozers of the same model with a shorter track frame. So over the years this has become one of our biggest "PET PEEVES''...people welding some kind of grouser bars on there loader street pads...for something they are clueless about. If you need a dozer "BUY A DOZER"...SO that being said..my experience says..and I would bet you money..marbles or chalk...that I could take a loader with street pads and out perform any one with the same loader that had been "tampered with"..because they thought it would give them ..more pushing power.
So those look like pretty nice pads on that HD9..don't go messin with them...Yes if that loader was 500 miles from us..this post would be about a new HD9 to our collection. LOL
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donoman
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Posted: 06 Dec 2018 at 12:50am |
Yes,and they are designed to skid, Mel is dead right
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DougG
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Posted: 06 Dec 2018 at 4:13am |
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Thanks for the replies, makes sense
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DMiller
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Posted: 06 Dec 2018 at 5:44am |
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As a loader loses traction it is generally where you need to move the shovel or back off the throttle as the material is getting to resistive or the slope too steep. Even on a dozer the full height grousers will not always continue pulling or a converter stall out so one has to shift the blade or change intentions.
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michale34
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Posted: 06 Dec 2018 at 6:31am |
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If memory serves me right iternational had some pads on some of there older loaders that were flat and smooth almost like dragline tracks. I know a man who had a good little d4 cat loader . The rails were getting worn so he got a good deal on a set of dozer tracks . Well that good deal turned that little loader into a parts / scrap machine after the dammage was done to the finals.
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Sugarmaker
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Posted: 06 Dec 2018 at 8:51am |
Folks, Was just thinking about this track thing. As a side note here is a picture of my off color loader TD6 with ATECO loader. Now maybe it had even shorter grousers? and these may be newer tracks? I guess now that I look at them they aren't very tall grousers. So yes these had to make a lot of moves to load small dump trucks.
I think if your interested and have the funds, I would go with Mels suggestion and bring it home!
Regards, Chris
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Coke-in-MN
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Posted: 07 Dec 2018 at 10:00am |
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On my HD5G I welded rebar (3/4") onto pads - but 3 bars so as it gave some traction but also made the pads new life for wear . It did not effect the side load when turning or swinging to load truck . Then I did a lot of work in sand so swinging the machine was not a lot of stress - also one learns to position truck so you don't make right angle turns .
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CAL(KS)
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Posted: 07 Dec 2018 at 10:59am |
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better to not have tall grousers on old gear drive machines it lets the track slip instead of stalling the motor
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Posted: 07 Dec 2018 at 4:08pm |
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A company that I worked for one time had a little TD-4 loader that had crawler pads on it. They were always repairing the finals. I finally told the mechanic to torch the grousers off to leave about 3/4" and the problem went away.
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Posted: 14 Dec 2018 at 5:53pm |
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I know exactly where that thing is. Guy has a little lot deals in old stuff. All big farms around there not much market support for older smaller stuff.
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Nate (OH)
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Posted: 15 Dec 2018 at 1:48am |
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Thats 5 min from me. Nice looking outfit but just don't have the funds for it.
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orangeman
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Posted: 16 Dec 2018 at 9:42am |
Very nice looking unit - well worth the asking price if no work needed in the final drives.
Appears clean and ready to use.
Unlikely to buy a poor skid steer with less capacity at the price listed.
Good Luck!
Orangeman
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