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orangeman 
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Posted: 15 Nov 2016 at 1:04pm |
Guys: Have any of you AC Construction guys seen or know if Allis produced the 816 as a Loader only tractor?
I know on the Industrial side it was common to specify a machine based on options that were selected by the customer or dealer.
Am curious if maybe the 715's could be order as - Loader tractor only?
Thanks in Advance for any insights!
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Eric B
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Posted: 15 Nov 2016 at 6:36pm |
I have no knowledge that any 816's were made as loaders only. It would be easy enough to pull a few pins, disconnect hoses, cap the fittings and....voila now you have an awesome loader. Keeping the outriggers would be real handy if you were to get stuck :-) The front end loaders on the 816's are really powerful. On the tip of the bucket edge I would lift the front of my tandem dump truck off the ground...not even a grunt, that's 11000 lbs. My 680E, G or H Case backhoes (slightly bigger than the 816) will say no at close to half of that.
The 715's ...yes, were made as loaders only, called 714. I have seen several of them |
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Posted: 15 Nov 2016 at 6:49pm |
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From what I've read in my books a 715 is the straight backhoe, a 714 can be a backhoe or loader tractor and a 710 is a loader only tractor. I've never seen a loader only 816 but you never know what you find out there!
Edited by Orange4ever - 15 Nov 2016 at 6:57pm
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Posted: 15 Nov 2016 at 6:56pm |
Eric and Orange4ever: Was thinking about the breakout force that the 715 and 816's have - I know the hydraulics were very good for that time. Am thinking about an 816 for earth work moving topsoil piles and don't really need a hoe rumbling around on the back of the machine.
If the hoe was removed from an 816 am thinking some counterweight would be in order.
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Posted: 15 Nov 2016 at 7:07pm |
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Updated my post, the 816s are HEAVY and get stuck easy and you need the backhoe to get out of situations. The 816s break out force is 11,000 lbs to the 710/714/715s 7500 lbs.
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Posted: 15 Nov 2016 at 7:25pm |
 orangeman wrote:
If the hoe was removed from an 816 am thinking some counterweight would be in order.
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If you removed the hoe just fill the rear tires with liquid for weight. The hoe is good for weight and as said to get out easier if you get stuck but they are cumbersome to drive around with if not ever needed. With a bit of slop in the hoe it's not good to go over bumpy ground. I actually snapped a swing cylinder that way once. Later I made a swing lock bracket that kept it from moving from side to side.
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Posted: 18 Nov 2016 at 11:04am |
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why there were notches in the side of the hoe for chains - to support the hoe for travel and to prevent movement when not in use
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Posted: 18 Nov 2016 at 12:11pm |
Coke-in-MN wrote:
why there were notches in the side of the hoe for chains - to support the hoe for travel and to prevent movement when not in use |
You're absolutely right Coke. I never ever used them...maybe 'cuz you'd have to climb off the machine to put them in place and then safely store the chains somewhere when not in use. I wish I had a picture of the bracket I had but it's too late as I've sold the last 816 I had. It was small and just dropped between the frame and the hoe from the top. I would drop it in and remove it while still on the operator's platform. One drawback of the 816 was how many pins and bushings made up the swinging design of the hoe. That was fine brand new but slop quickly developed as small wear on each pin and bushing adds up to generous play on a 20' reach.
Edited by Eric B - 18 Nov 2016 at 12:13pm
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