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8.3 Cummins Gleaner?

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dave974 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Dec 2020 at 2:15am
Originally posted by victoryallis victoryallis wrote:

Originally posted by SteveM C/IL SteveM C/IL wrote:

Originally posted by Lonn Lonn wrote:

Originally posted by JPG AUSTRALIA JPG AUSTRALIA wrote:

Both my engines run the bosch inline pump.only bad thing id say about my 8.3s is that they love to drink fuel. I use alot more fuel at harvest then at seeding time.
I noticed that my L2 took a good bit less fuel to harvest the same acres as my R52.

My F2 uses less that 2 gal per acre...an 8.3 R62 would suck compared to that! Oh well.



Hard to beat the 433TI motor on fuel.

+1 on the 433TI and fuel economy Thumbs Up 

I recently went from an F3 to an L2 with a 426 and while I love the extra capacity and smooth 426 power, I miss the fuel economy.  Sounds like an 8.3 Cummins would ratchet up from there. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Amos Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Dec 2020 at 9:07pm
Originally posted by Dave974 Dave974 wrote:

Originally posted by victoryallis victoryallis wrote:

Originally posted by SteveM C/IL SteveM C/IL wrote:

Originally posted by Lonn Lonn wrote:

Originally posted by JPG AUSTRALIA JPG AUSTRALIA wrote:

Both my engines run the bosch inline pump.only bad thing id say about my 8.3s is that they love to drink fuel. I use alot more fuel at harvest then at seeding time.
I noticed that my L2 took a good bit less fuel to harvest the same acres as my R52.

My F2 uses less that 2 gal per acre...an 8.3 R62 would suck compared to that! Oh well.



Hard to beat the 433TI motor on fuel.

+1 on the 433TI and fuel economy Thumbs Up 

I recently went from an F3 to an L2 with a 426 and while I love the extra capacity and smooth 426 power, I miss the fuel economy.  Sounds like an 8.3 Cummins would ratchet up from there. 

I find a couple of these posts a little bit off from my experience.  I run a R52 with a Deutz.  If I use more than a gallon per acre, then I must have been in corn that was flat on the ground at less than 1.5 mph.  I normally see about .9 gallon per acre maximum.  If an F2 is using close to 2 gallons per acre there must be something out of wack there, I would think, but I never ran an F2...I do however have a one owner 6060 with over 10,000hrs on it and I can tell you that engine does not use fuel even when you are working it to its knees...I doubt an L2 with a 426 would use more fuel than and 8.3 powered R52, and you will have a bit more capacity with the R52, a R62 will out work that L2 without even breaking a sweat!

One thing I can not grasp is why I see farmers with  big capacity combines like R62 or larger size machines with a 6 row corn head, talk about an inefficient set up.  I never got a good consistent sample from my 52 until I put an 8 row on it, and did some modifications to it.  And if you really want to save fuel, you put a grain buggy under that unload auger.  I went from  no buggy and a 6 row head at 5+ mph to a 8 row at 3.5mph with the  buggy and found my harvest fuel consumption ( including the 305 on the buggy's fuel ) cut itself by 35%.  
The 8.3 is an excellent engine, but the trade off for making power is fuel, the energy has to come from some where, But if you have your combine set up incorrectly, and with the rotary combine this seems more critical, you will be working your engine harder than it needs to be working, using more fuel.  My advice is to spend time with your combine getting to know how to adjust it and try different settings out to see how they affect all aspects of the machine.


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So the fuel tank pump is off about 10% (low) from experience years ago. According to read out,I put 92 gal diesel in the F2 to harvest 43.5A beans & 44.5A corn.  92+ 10% is 101. The math says that's 1.15 gal/A. That is less that 2.
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I misread the previous post, was thinking 2 gal per acre, 
The larger machines are not necessarily any more fuel efficient, but in time efficiency they cover so many more acres than the smaller machines...
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I think one reason guys run a six row head is that they can drive it from field to field without taking off the head.  That's not much of a problem out west here but I know back east with those little fields between hills and woods that moving to the next field takes more time then the savings with a bigger head.
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This is the first time I have ever heard someone say something good about the CAPS fuel system.  I have dealt with them in some Gleaners and New Holland tractors. I actually know of a few farmers that had Magnums with them that converted the engine over to a mechanical Bosch inline fuel pump.  

We had a recent issue with a late R62 that had the CAPS pump on it.  The engine would turn over but not fire but if you give it a sniff of ether it would fire and run.  Had a Cummins repair shop work on it for the customer.  We ended up replacing every electronic piece on the engine.  When I asked the customer if he had welded on it recently, he said yes and he did not unhook the battery and the problems started after that.  He did not put them together until I asked.  

Fun times.

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I bought an anti zap thingy you hook to batter to keep from hurting em. Welding shop uses them all the time with no problems. I have done the same but if welding without one,you better disconnect the ecm from the system however you go about it.
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