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DMiller 
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 Topic: Right to Repair, RTR
Posted: Yesterday at 4:51am |
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Current AG machine producers are still fighting this, are now adding Subscription requirements to access Electronics and to clear codes on newer machines much as Auto manufacturers are. RTR is fast becoming a joke on the Public.
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jaybmiller
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Posted: Yesterday at 6:02am |
The cynic in me says the guv is behind this, as it's about control and money. They allow the company to control you and the guv gets free money ( taxes )
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powertech84
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Posted: Yesterday at 7:53am |
RTR has always been a joke, from the very begining. As someone who's worked in the industry for 20+ years, it was easy to see all along that what people thought they were getting, never remotely stood a chance of happening.
Another case of be carefull what you wish for.
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DanWi
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Posted: Yesterday at 8:47am |
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They can say they are giving access, but it seems like the software is on some kind of timer that is set to expire. Because when they come out to repair things it seems updates are required. And if you want to mix brands it seems they don't like to talk to each other.
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DanWi
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Posted: 23 hours 9 minutes ago at 9:03am |
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Simply changing sensors or anything requires a computer update. Not just plug and go.
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HudCo
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Posted: 13 hours 37 minutes ago at 6:35pm |
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sounds like everyone wants to lay down and let the manufacturers do what they whant . i have to keep on working poeples stuff for a long time ithink this stuff needs to go toa global obd2 system also
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thendrix
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Posted: 11 hours 50 minutes ago at 8:22pm |
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RTR, the reason why worn out $500 tractors and equipment bring $2,000 at auctions. We're going to have to replace a tractor at some point and I'm dreading it. Now my "big" tractor is a 1999 Kubota M6800. Very simple. Problem is, my big tractor ain't quite big enough
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Gary Burnett
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Posted: 11 hours 3 minutes ago at 9:09pm |
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Tractor companies just like all companies are in the business to make money so as long as people keep buying enough tractors for them to do well financially they are not going to give up something like repair business for free.
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WF owner
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Posted: 40 minutes ago at 7:32am |
 Gary Burnett wrote:
Tractor companies just like all companies are in the business to make money so as long as people keep buying enough tractors for them to do well financially they are not going to give up something like repair business for free. |
I agree! And in the tractor companies defense, they have been forced to spend millions of dollars on their unique technology. I can see why they don't want to share it.
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tbran
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Posted: 21 minutes ago at 7:51am |
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There is an underlying issue here missed and somewhat hidden. The big time operators realized they were paying $150 or more per hour for a Deere tech who stayed out on their farm for 6 to 8 hours or more /week. They would simply call the tech and say come to work for us - this saved the farmers money for now they had a tech plus when not working on broke down stuff , they could do other farming stuff. Just buy a laptop computer. This led to a huge brain drain of techs at the dealerships. Therefore big D said nope - can't work on our modern stuff - we will firewall protect it - with the somewhat false statement of not allowing customers into company secrets in programming.
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