| Author |
 Topic Search  Topic Options
|
Jordan.fleming 
Bronze Level
Joined: 15 Feb 2018
Location: London ontario
Points: 5
|
 Post Options
 Thanks(0)
 Quote  Reply
 Topic: New to me WD
Posted: 15 Feb 2018 at 1:01pm |
|
Hey new to the forum, wondering if I could get some info on a problem with a wd I am work on. The issue is the hand clutch will engage but not snap over and stay engaged, any body else had this issue ?
|
 |
|
Sponsored Links
|
|
|
FloydKS
Orange Level
Joined: 12 Sep 2009
Location: S E Kansas
Points: 8538
|
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 15 Feb 2018 at 1:21pm |
|
I am not an expert nor mechanic....think it has to do with shims in there somewhere... someone will jump in and give you more details...hopefully before the sun sets.
|
|
Holding a grudge is like taking poison and expecting the other person to die
|
|
CrestonM
Orange Level
Joined: 08 Sep 2014
Location: Oklahoma
Points: 8479
|
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 15 Feb 2018 at 1:55pm |
I second the shims, based on what I've heard about these clutches. There's a good video on You Tube showing the adjusting process, but I can't remember if it's for a WD or D series. Like Floyd said, someone who knows more will chime in.
|
|
Gary
Orange Level Access
Joined: 13 Sep 2009
Location: Peterborough,On
Points: 5911
|
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 15 Feb 2018 at 2:11pm |
|
Hi Jordan - fellow Ontarian - Welcome to the Forum.
It could be a 'shim' issue, OR it could be a very large snap ring in the clutch assembly has come off.
Here is a link to an 'on line' Service Manual for WD
Have a look at page 34.
Gary
PS you'll probably have to register to GrandpasTractors to view it
file:///C:/Users/Gary/Documents/Allis%20Manuals%20(GrandpasTractors)/05%20S1%20%20%20%20WD%20%20WD-45%20%20Service%20%20%20part%201%20%20%20P.%201%20to%2078.pdf
|
|
Jim Hancock
Orange Level
Joined: 11 Sep 2009
Location: EL Reno, Ok.
Points: 1112
|
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 15 Feb 2018 at 2:13pm |
|
Look on you tube under Allis Chalmers WD hand clutch
|
|
How blessed we are by HIS GRACE!
|
|
Jordan.fleming
Bronze Level
Joined: 15 Feb 2018
Location: London ontario
Points: 5
|
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 15 Feb 2018 at 4:19pm |
|
Thanks guys i will pop the cover off and double check the snap ring is in place if it is i will take a look at the shims. I will check out that youtube video and the service manual aswell
|
|
dawntreader74
Orange Level
Joined: 28 Oct 2013
Location: Manteno
Points: 1770
|
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 15 Feb 2018 at 7:18pm |
|
may haft to take a few shims out to get a good snap to the clutch again' it will work a lot better.
|
|
j.w.freck
Orange Level
Joined: 16 Sep 2009
Location: karnack texas
Points: 1153
|
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 15 Feb 2018 at 8:44pm |
|
if the snap ring came off,dont tear the tractor apart,those rings get weak after 50 or so years.it can be progressively installed and tack welded in place.if you have to remove shims.there is a dimension called out in the manual,but cant recall it as of now.when you remove the shims,be SURE line the cavity with a large bath towel to prevent loosing a shim pak or a bolt and washer,where it will go is only ia WAG.....I always adjust mine by feel,when you get a good positive snap after removing a spefic amount of shims,you are there.....
|
|
IBWD MIke
Orange Level
Joined: 08 Apr 2012
Location: Newton Ia.
Points: 4278
|
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 16 Feb 2018 at 10:44am |
|
I have seen linkage pins come out and cause this problem too. If you are lucky taking a few shims out will solve your problem.
|
|
Jordan.fleming
Bronze Level
Joined: 15 Feb 2018
Location: London ontario
Points: 5
|
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 16 Feb 2018 at 5:43pm |
IBWD MIke  could you elaborate more on the linkage issue the snap ring is definitely there everything seems to look and function right as i move the clutch with the cover off hoping removing shims will do the trick but if not is there some i can visibly see that would indicate the linkage issue you have mentioned
|
|
IBWD MIke
Orange Level
Joined: 08 Apr 2012
Location: Newton Ia.
Points: 4278
|
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 17 Feb 2018 at 11:26am |
|
On my wide front WD45, when I converted it from propane to gas I found one of the 'link pins' missing. I believe the ears were broken too. Will try to get some pics on here later today. I had lots of pics on here about this but thanks to the photobucket debacle they went away.
It sounds like removing some shims will solve your problem. If you have or can get a service manual for WD&WD45 it explains this very nicely.
|
|
Jordan.fleming
Bronze Level
Joined: 15 Feb 2018
Location: London ontario
Points: 5
|
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 17 Feb 2018 at 4:59pm |
|
Great thanks for the info!
|
|
j.w.freck
Orange Level
Joined: 16 Sep 2009
Location: karnack texas
Points: 1153
|
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 17 Feb 2018 at 8:12pm |
|
overcenter link pins.....usually when you loose a link it inverably gets into the pto intermediate gear and really makes a mess of things.i have replaced 3 pto intermediate gears and 1 case where the gear came through the side of ir all due to the overcenter link pin came out.these were all on other peoples tractors,and its no fun job.....
|
|
IBWD MIke
Orange Level
Joined: 08 Apr 2012
Location: Newton Ia.
Points: 4278
|
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 17 Feb 2018 at 8:20pm |
Picture attempt; You can see the broken 'ear' in this shot. I think this is the clutch that came out of my wide front 45. Not sure if the ear broke and the pin left or vice versa, but it needed replaced one way or the other. 
Edited by IBWD MIke - 17 Feb 2018 at 8:22pm
|
|
IBWD MIke
Orange Level
Joined: 08 Apr 2012
Location: Newton Ia.
Points: 4278
|
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 17 Feb 2018 at 8:28pm |
Here is a shot of the whole clutch less the shims. Since it is a 3 disc unit it has the solid shim that a 2 disc doesn't have. 
|
|
j.w.freck
Orange Level
Joined: 16 Sep 2009
Location: karnack texas
Points: 1153
|
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 17 Feb 2018 at 10:21pm |
|
never saw an ear broken off like that
|
|
Brian G. NY
Orange Level
Joined: 12 Sep 2009
Location: 12194
Points: 2278
|
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 18 Feb 2018 at 9:15am |
I couldn't find a video on the in-tractor adjustment but this video shows the process of rebuilding and out of tractor adjustment of the clutch. This will give you insight on how it works.
Thanks to Dennis Anderson, a frequent poster on here. |
|
DaveKamp
Orange Level Access
Joined: 12 Apr 2010
Location: LeClaire, Ia
Points: 6126
|
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 18 Feb 2018 at 12:02pm |
 j.w.freck wrote:
overcenter link pins.....usually when you loose a link it inverably gets into the pto intermediate gear and really makes a mess of things.i have replaced 3 pto intermediate gears and 1 case where the gear came through the side of ir all due to the overcenter link pin came out.these were all on other peoples tractors,and its no fun job..... |
I'll second this note in a BIG WAY- I had one make the trip out of the clutch pack and go all the way through, and it wrecked the intermediate gear. Not impossible to correct in-situ, but you'd best have a 5-gallon bucket of profanity on-hand, and a second 5-gallon bucket and cuss-shovel scrape up all the profanity when you're done. 
|
|
Ten Amendments, Ten Commandments, and one Golden Rule solve most every problem. Citrus hand-cleaner with Pumice does the rest.
|
|
j.w.freck
Orange Level
Joined: 16 Sep 2009
Location: karnack texas
Points: 1153
|
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Quote Reply
Posted: 18 Feb 2018 at 5:39pm |
|
pto gear had a guy bring me one that the pto int gear exited out the side of the case and landed in the field.happened on a 45 diesel.not too bad pullig a gas engine,but that diesel will make you utter words that never existed.....
|
|
