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190xt MN
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Topic: 190xt overhaulPosted: 13 Mar 2026 at 11:13am |
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Hi have a question on my 190xt 3 that I just overhauled. I’ve only ran it for about 5 minutes since we got it back together, I just moved it from one side of the shop to the other while I wait for an avabile dyno to break it in. It doesn’t seem to be getting a lot of oil to the rocker arms. There is plenty of flow from the port in the head and once it fills the rocker shaft, there is plenty of oil going out the outlet tube. Nothing is leaking by the corks in each end that I can see. I dissambled the rocker arm shaft and cleaned out all the small passages in the shaft for oil to pass through. Then cleaned the rockers themselves and reassembled. I used some lubriplate on the rockers during reassembly. I think the cold 15w 40 is just taking its time getting to everything. There is some oil on the bottom of most of the rocker arms and I wouldn’t be too worried about it only I know that the drain oil off the head is one of the ways the cam bearings are oiled, and those bearings along with the cam are new. My Question is if I run it some more and get the oil good and hot, then check how much oil is up top, do I risk cam bearing or cam damage? Or will the cam bearings and cam get some splash lubrication from the crank also. Thanks in advance for any replies.
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tbran
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Posted: 14 Mar 2026 at 12:40pm |
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It usually takes a few minutes after an over haul to get to a splashing situation from the rockers. IF you lubed the cam brgs well you will be ok. Never heard of a cam brg issue on a 301 or its cousins. Party on...
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Posted: 14 Mar 2026 at 1:52pm |
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Remove the outlet tube and put a plug in it.
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190xt MN
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Posted: 16 Mar 2026 at 8:35am |
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I’ll run it till the oil is warm and then check agian. However, I’ll keep plugging that outlet in mind just in case. As far as putting the tractor on the dyno, does anyone have a time frame or pattern for breaking it in that you consistently follow? The instructions on the kit only added up to about 45 minutes of run time. That doesn’t seem like enough time, but maybe it is.
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190xt MN
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Posted: 5 hours 18 minutes ago at 10:40am |
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Hello. Got my xt broke in on the dyno yesterday. Excluding a substantial front main seal leak that I have to fix, it went well. Only problem is the oil pressure. When it got good and warmed up, I was around 30 psi wide open and I had to adjust the pressure regulator in to get that. So I was somewhat below min spec. Before the tractor was overhauled, I could still get 35 with hot oil with the pressure regulator backed off from where it is now. I didn’t do anything with the oil pump other then remove the gear set to clean all the old oil and any crud out of the pump, and then put it back together. The gears did not look bad at all. My question is, where do I start looking for the low oil pressure cause? Would it hurt anything if I plugged the outlet tube on the rocker arm shaft then re checked the pressure? I did dissemble the rocker shaft and gave it the same treatment that I gave the oil pump. If anybody is wondering, with the dyno at the 540 rpm mark, it was putting out 98hp. I didn’t pull it down any more then that as what I do with it doesn’t require any more power and that and it was right where it was supposed to be anyway. Sorry for the long post, thanks in advance for any replies!
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SteveM C/IL
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Posted: 2 hours 30 minutes ago at 1:28pm |
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First I'd find another gauge to try and see if it reads same.
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DrAllis
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Posted: 2 hours 27 minutes ago at 1:31pm |
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To be clear: the pressure regulator you are adjusting does NOT do anything once the engine oil warms up, as it is CLOSED. It is there to relieve oil pressure only when pressures exceed 55 to maybe 60 PSI, and that would be with cold oil. So, proper regulator adjustment is done when you first start the engine and throttle it up with cold oil temps and adjust it to that 55 to 60 PSI range. Once engine oil is at operating temps, that regulator does nothing as it is closed. There is a steel seat down inside that pressure regulator passage that could be worn. That would allow leakage and could give you lower than desired oil pressures when the oil is fully warmed up. Blocking the rocker arm front oil drain tube probably won't make enough difference to really change the oil pressure numbers. Where are you measuring the oil pressure ?? Are you using a 100 psi or less gauge ?? Was the crankshaft reground for undersized bearings?? or just reused with new bearings ?? Oil pressure when warmed up fully is determined by the leakage at 7 main bearings and 6 connecting rod bearings. If they are too loose, your pressure will be lower. This assumes the oil pump GPM is adequate and within specs.
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Posted: 2 hours 4 minutes ago at 1:54pm |
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Steve: to answer your question I did verify with another guage and it read the same.
Dr Allis: I plumbed a gauge in a while ago at the same spot the oil pressure sensor was. That’s where I’m taking the reading from. I just have a 1/8 in copper line running up to a gauge on the dash. The range of the gauge on the tractor is 0 to 80 psi. The tractor had been overhauled once before in the 70’s. The rods were ground .10 and the mains were left standard. The crank journals were in good enough shape that the machine shop just polished the journals. I plasti gauged everything before assembly and the mains varied from .003 to .004 oil clearence. The rods varied from .002 to .003, so they are on the looser end of the spec. If oil pressure is lower due to that, will that shorten my engine life somewhat? |
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