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    Posted: 16 Apr 2022 at 8:11am
An uncle of mine knows a gal that lives on the edge of a small town about 30 miles East of me. She has some old Orange iron and the city has been on her to get it cleaned up. You see the connection? I looked at this stuff back in January, thought there was some stuff worth saving. Time goes by, need to get this done, didn't have to 'work' yesterday, so here's another load of Allis stuff I really needed! There's a model 73 and 53 plows, No.3 sub-soiler, Brillion packer, Allis 226 power unit of some sort. I'm sure it's stuck tighter than a drum, hoping the block and crank are salvageable. There is a model 77 or 78 hayrake I will have to go back for and a homemade S/C bale spear.


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I hate to say it but it appears your AC addiction is leading you to neglect your house... That chimney looks a little off. Haha.

Nice haul. The cultipackers will be nice, too.
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John, I would feel sorry for anyone that had to live in that 'house'! Stupid thing stood through the derachio though! Seriously, it's in the five year plan to come down.
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Well, I don't see anything on your trailer that a fellow wouldn't need. Glad you got to save some stuff and add to your collection. That house is just a "fixer upper". More space to keep stuff in.
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Looks like a good haul of equipment, will all AC plows with snap couplers work on all AC model tractors with a snap coupler hitch ? The Brillon cultipacker was a good find. How wide, ten feet or more ?
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Thats just an old Gleaner engine ...
  Nice load. Thumbs Up

 To bad there are a bunch of interfering busy bodied brainless city slicker bots that need to mind their own dam business and NOT cause trouble for others!  Censored
They should be horsewhipped till their backside brains smarten up.
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Originally posted by JC-WI JC-WI wrote:

Thats just an old Gleaner engine ...
  Nice load. Thumbs Up

 To bad there are a bunch of interfering busy bodied brainless city slicker bots that need to mind their own dam business and NOT cause trouble for others!  Censored
They should be horsewhipped till their backside brains smarten up.



I agree, specially if it was a farm that the city annexed to make the city larger. But luckily the person that ended up with all that equipment will try to see what he can use and no scrapper will get it and sell it for what it weighs out.
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Kudos to you for you trailer-load Clap !!  Are there replacement parts available for your plows ?? 
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Mike, what you try to do corner the market on s/c plow, I know just hate to see them go to the junk man.
 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote IBWD MIke Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Apr 2022 at 8:36am
Originally posted by Tom59 Tom59 wrote:

Looks like a good haul of equipment, will all AC plows with snap couplers work on all AC model tractors with a snap coupler hitch ? The Brillon cultipacker was a good find. How wide, ten feet or more ?

Tom, I think so but not 100% sure. Of course, a 52 on a D-19 or 190 would be a bit ridiculous. Conversely, a 4 or 5 bottom on a WD or CA wouldn't work too good either.

The packer is probably 14', guessing? I'll measure it today.

Freedguy, wear-parts are available for some Allis plows, not all. Dave the plowman has as good a selection as anyone.

Kenny, I'm not trying to corner the market on the plows, they just seem to find me. The 73 is in pretty good shape, even has coverboards!
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14' was a lucky guess on my part, that is what it measures.
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Isn't it amazing how much a 'collection' can grow in such a short time?!?!
How old is this 'gal' down the road?  Are you bartering? LOL Wink
Let me know if/when you are coming over this way for the plow days.

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Ted, we're not bartering.

The plow day is Saturday if the weather cooperates, not looking good for me to make it this year. Feel like I'm coming down with a cold, first time in 5+ years. High diesel prices. CA not ready to plow, and the weather doesn't look like it's going to cooperate. Add to that  I should be getting ready to plant corn. All things considered, probably miss Reedsburg again this year.

I'd really like to plow there to see how the soil compares to around here.
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I'm certain that Kenny and Mike already know... that 3 bottom SC was a VERY popular plow for Iowa soil... they cut well, worked the odd slopes as well as the flat, and would back in and turn soil where a towed plow didn't, so they were prized by the WD45 and D17 owners. 

I don't know if it holds true, but my uncle mentioned once that up in the north center and northwest counties of Iowa, where glacial till left lots of large round stones, the 3-bottom SC plows were the best choice, as they'd supposedly roll them up to the surface, rather than jamb, or snag and anchor the tractor.  I haven't operated one at any level to know, but if  it IS true, someone with firsthand experience please chime in and tell us about it... and if you can, why...
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Originally posted by DaveKamp DaveKamp wrote:

I'm certain that Kenny and Mike already know... that 3 bottom SC was a VERY popular plow for Iowa soil... they cut well, worked the odd slopes as well as the flat, and would back in and turn soil where a towed plow didn't, so they were prized by the WD45 and D17 owners. 

I don't know if it holds true, but my uncle mentioned once that up in the north center and northwest counties of Iowa, where glacial till left lots of large round stones, the 3-bottom SC plows were the best choice, as they'd supposedly roll them up to the surface, rather than jamb, or snag and anchor the tractor.  I haven't operated one at any level to know, but if  it IS true, someone with firsthand experience please chime in and tell us about it... and if you can, why...
 I'll give what I remember back when we use a WD (with M&W pistons) and a three bottom no.60 with 364 bottoms plow, what was nice was when you did hit rocks it would kick the hand clutch out and there wasn't any backing up or any getting off and re hooking the plow like you would with the little genie farmall plow (2 bottom) that was pulled with the Farmall H, yes it would roll same rock out but not all of them, the 364 bottom was a slat bottom which work good in the push dirt (that what we call it) and the WD would plow circles around the H but was a different story when dad bought a Farmall M and pull a 3 bottom Oliver plow which would trip the bottom when you hit a rock but you had to back up to reset the bottom. Dad had 13x28 (14.9x28 today size) filled with fluid and was the work horse until he bought the M. Dad was kind of partial to the H I think because he bought it new and would run it when my brother or I was there to run the WD and if both of us was around Jim run the Wd and I run the H and would help do the chores, Jim took over the farm when dad pass on and farm it until mom pass on, he still has the M and I've the WD and will have it until the wife plants me in the ground.   
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I will have to defer to you guys on this. While I have done a fair amount of plowing with S/C plows and have found a few rocks, I've never been in conditions like Dave describes.

One thing about these plows, Allis must have sold them at almost a 1 to 1 ratio to 45's and 17's. Still lots of them around.
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Originally posted by IBWD MIke IBWD MIke wrote:

Allis must have sold them at almost a 1 to 1 ratio to 45's and 17's. Still lots of them around.


Yknow, Mike-  you MIGHT be on to something there...  hopefully there's a few guys around that might remember...

I wouldn't discount the possibility that ANY tractor would be offered without implements, when 'ya think about it, a farmer buying a tractor will make his purchase with his implements being of foremost importance.

I wonder if there was a "factory" program (either documented, or 'undocumented') for making tractor deals by including implements?  My gut says that... if there wasn't a 'factory' deal, that the dealers did it anyway...

Buy a D17, get a 3-bottom and a disk?
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Dave, I'm sure there were some sort of incentives. Guessing that is at least part of the reason Allis and IH hung onto their proprietary systems instead of converting to three point earlier than they did.
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I don't know what IH's setup offered, but from what I understand, the SC/traction booster setup was a very good performer for soil work.

The 3 point hitch's neat advantage, is that it can horizontally lift an implement, or (by virtue of how the geometry is set) the implement can be set to articulate either in, or out, as the lift occurs.  It did NOT have any reactive ability, at least, not by Ferguson's design.

The reason why there's a different setup for each manufacturer... it was a business battlefield of patents.  Harry Ferguson's 3-point patent was well-defended (especially with Henry's involvement, but still well after)... just like the Allis Snap, the Case EAGLE, and the IH Fast Hitch were all patent-protected.  This is why you see so many homemade conversions... guys could adapt an Allis, Case or IH to work with Fergusen System implements...  save for the fact that the Ford/Fergs' size and drawbar power was so light in comparison... they were not a 'high-crop' capable setup, and did not have the tire diameter or operating horsepower to do any tall field work.


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Dave, from my experience, the 'Traction Booster' system is all it is hyped up to be. Not sure if the IH draft control works as well or not. I would assume it works fine when properly set. My one experience with said system I was concentrating on getting a semi-mounted plow into and out of the ground. Having never done that before it took awhile to get the coordination down. Only had about 1&1/2 acres to do this.
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