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    Posted: 22 Mar 2015 at 9:29pm
Picked this up yesterday, engine shot. How big of a deal is it to put a gas engine in it? I assume one from my D14 will bolt up, but is it easy to take out?
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First off put the tracks on the right way - they are bass ackwards in the direction of travel - unless you will be working mostly in reverse . 
 Next the grousers on a loader machine make for undercarriage failure  from strain onto track when turning with a loaded bucket .
 then yes the gas should switch over with little to no problem . 
small machine for that big ripper . 
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Hey at least one track is on right I'm not sure how this crawler was set up originally, but it seems funny to have spoked wheels on a loader, as well as this style of tracks. The ripper is what was offered at the factory, I have 3 NOS rippers that came with it. It appears to have the high capacity hydraulics on it....I assume the side pump is independent??
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That the one from Fernwood?
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If you clutch it the hyds will quit, if that is what you are asking,  and as long as you stuff a 149 or 60 into it and switch starter to rad shouldnt be too hard.  I have both and most everything is different form starter to rad including the hoods and aircleaner,  and if you want to sell some of the diesel parts after you pull it out please let me know, Thanks Dustin
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Originally posted by larslog larslog wrote:

That the one from Fernwood?

Yes.
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Hey Eldon, over on the classifieds there is D 15 diesel engine for sale. Just what you need to slap in there. Darrel
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I agree with Eldon (WA), The left track is backwards, the right one on correctly!
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Is the input shaft on the transmission a different length as it is on the D-17 gas vs diesel?
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The undercarriage looks to be in pretty good condition.  Wonder if it is somewhat a hybrid?  What's wrong with the engine?  Hopefully you got the hood and grill.  Unless you plan on doing more then occasionally playing with it, I don't think the tracks will cause much problem. (Once the one is put on correctly)  Another good find for Eldon!
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I would reverse the backward track and then torch off about 1/2 the height of the grousers. I worked with a company that had a TD4 loader with dozer tracks and it always had final drive problems until our mechanic took a torch to the grousers.
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Originally posted by Calvin Schmidt Calvin Schmidt wrote:

Is the input shaft on the transmission a different length as it is on the D-17 gas vs diesel?

Good question.
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Originally posted by JohnCO JohnCO wrote:

The undercarriage looks to be in pretty good condition.  Wonder if it is somewhat a hybrid?  What's wrong with the engine?  Hopefully you got the hood and grill.  Unless you plan on doing more then occasionally playing with it, I don't think the tracks will cause much problem. (Once the one is put on correctly)  Another good find for Eldon!


Victim of hard water....one sleeve has a chunk missing from it. I'm not sure if the block is cracked or not. Kinda hard to see things in a crawler. Everything is there except the hoods.
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D15 gas and diesel clutch shafts are the same.
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Originally posted by Kevin in WA Kevin in WA wrote:

D15 gas and diesel clutch shafts are the same.

Thanks, Now I just need to find a cheap connecting rod for my 160cid engine....might be cheaper to just part out my D14 LOL!
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You will need a D-15 gas rad and gas hood panels. H-3 hood panels are a few inches shorter then the D-15.
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May need the upper track support roller for the right side track. 

A 149 power unit would slip into the engine bay without any mods as would a 160 gas.  

Check the C-Channel frame where the frame is gusseted behind the idler.  Normally cracked at that point due to fatigue. 

Also might jack the machine and inspect the front and rear rollers as the shovel H-3 acted like rocking horse.   Think dead load transfer - fore and aft with forward and reverese cycles - normally the front and rear roller take the brunt of the abuse.    I would check now to insure the bushings are good in the truck rollers. 

Good to see the machine was equipped with the full compliment of rear weights.  You will need them if you load the bucket full.  

I'll bet Eldon's wife bought this so he could make her a flower garden!!

Good luck with the machine, once they are up to snuff they are a very nice machine. 

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