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DMiller 
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 Topic: 20 years old and STILL high tech expensive
Posted: 11 Mar 2019 at 10:20am |
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My old '99 SD F250 laid down on me last Friday, renters cows got out and they were out of the area as I called them, so the wife and I got them BACK onto the farm pasture. Had my pickup in the mess as they come like a dinner bell to a Ford Diesel. Had to put it into 4Lo to keep from spinning so easily on the greasy mess so I walked to drive cows had the wife pull the truck around. Went to shift back to 2wd, no go, tried everything and then start troubleshooting. Man What was bad of floor mount shifters? Get the drive motor down, works fine, swap to known good relays, nothing, start looking for snagged harnesses, nothing there either. Finally get on the net find there is a little device called a GEM(General Electronics Module) drives this stuff, does ALL the electronic controls on the truck, then find out is bolted to the TOP of the fuse block.
What a PITA! Get it all out where I can read the FOMOCO Engineering number on it and see the build date was 4/15/99, almost a full twenty years. Ford still has them, some aftermarket refurb shops too, in any case gonna be $500 for the module EXCHANGE.
Again, WTH was wrong with a floor mount shifter?
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chaskaduo
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Posted: 11 Mar 2019 at 10:27am |
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1, reliable. 2, not enough money involved for parts at failure time.
3, planned obsolescence.
Edited by chaskaduo - 11 Mar 2019 at 10:29am
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Coke-in-MN
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Posted: 11 Mar 2019 at 11:35am |
GM seems to have made the same thing about mechanical shifting Neighbors 2000 Chev would not shift into 4 WD - dealer repair $850 Friend who owned a transmission shop tested mine when it would not shift right , $40 for new dash switch , said his sons did the same thing - dealer estimate was the same $800 - so he had dad do it for the $40 also for the switch .
Made in Mexico switches didn't hold up but the repair made dealerships a lot of $$$
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Thad in AR.
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Posted: 11 Mar 2019 at 11:59am |
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A twenty year old truck is new in my book. At least the technology to keep it going. I have a GM and like Coke I’ve had lots of trouble with cheap made 4x4 switches.
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Posted: 11 Mar 2019 at 12:04pm |
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Got a 98 explorer, does same shift when it wants to thing. new dash switch, worked twice, back to same old no shift crap. friend says trans shift motor sticking, well I don't use stupid switch anymore, leave it in "auto mode" and mash the gas harder to go off road. It still gets me in and out without getting stuck!
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Tbone95
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Posted: 11 Mar 2019 at 12:20pm |
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My GMC Sierra is about 17 years old. "Auto" is sure a nice feature when it works....now days, Auto is the same as 4 Hi now, no auto about it, it's just "on".
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thendrix
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Posted: 11 Mar 2019 at 12:50pm |
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Go get a Ram. Got a '16 2500 Tradesman with the 6.4 hemi and it has a floor shifter
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Ted J
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Posted: 11 Mar 2019 at 1:11pm |
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DiyDave
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Posted: 11 Mar 2019 at 6:25pm |
Hadda '94 chebbie s10 that had same problem, turned out to be vacuum actuated dashpot shift motor. Where'd they mount it? Under the damn battery box, so's all excess acid would land on it... 
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john(MI)
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Posted: 11 Mar 2019 at 6:56pm |
Did you check Ebay? Or just Google the part and click the "Shopping" link.
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jaybmiller
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Posted: 11 Mar 2019 at 7:16pm |
The problem with mechanical linkages is they usually only work for ONE line of vehicles and everyone's making stuff 'universal' so really 'one size fits all'. The problem with 'fly by wire' tech is twofold. One, switches fail(well cheap ones do) and two, some kind of 'computer' needs to control 'stuff'. Now 'one' is easy to fix...just use high quality switches. Cost maybe $2 each, some I have used over 1,000,000 presses. Numbe rtwo s a tad harder...just ask an avioncs tech about the 737Max8 problem.
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Posted: 11 Mar 2019 at 7:42pm |
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My 04 F350 has a floor shift. Love it. Google " brown wire mod". Was for an explorer, but might still apply to all electronic shift 4x4.
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