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desertjoe 
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Posted: 08 Nov 2018 at 10:07am |
I use quite a few of the phillips head screw bits in most of my projects and I have yet to find some that will not wash out after good use. I have bought Craftsman HARDENED, plus several other brands with same results . What brand do others here get the best life out of?? If,,,,if,,,I knew how to properly harden them I would try that, but ,,Chit,,you gotta start with some good steel before hardening will do much good,,right???
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CAL(KS)
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Posted: 08 Nov 2018 at 10:16am |
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I have had cheap bits that twist off on the first use. i bought a dewalt bit set to use with an impact driver i got from a friend and have good luck with it. The bits arnt indestructible but so far little wear is showing after some heavy use.
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Posted: 08 Nov 2018 at 10:30am |
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Phillips head screws belong in the scrap barrel. If you must used a socket type head, use a TORX”.
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Posted: 08 Nov 2018 at 10:30am |
I am in the same bot there desert man. I been buying them by the handful and tossing them early on. 
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Posted: 08 Nov 2018 at 10:33am |
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Have you tried the Milwaukee Shockwave impact rated bits? They hold up in 1/4" impact drivers. Are you using a drill or impact driver? I hardly ever use a drill now that I am used to the impact driver. Also have upgraded to the star head (Torx type) screws where possible.
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Posted: 08 Nov 2018 at 2:16pm |
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I also detest Phillips head bits. Went to torks years ago. Now it I could find some SS screws with torks head instead of them stupid square head screws.
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Posted: 08 Nov 2018 at 2:38pm |
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Well if the bit doesn't go then the head of the screw does. If Phillips head screw would of never been invented the world would be a better place.
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Posted: 08 Nov 2018 at 3:02pm |
 PaulB wrote:
Phillips head screws belong in the scrap barrel. If you must used a socket type head, use a TORX”. |
YES!!!!! The ONLY way to go. I used to use the square heads cause they were better than phillips, but they round off too. I've been using nothing but Torx for about 3 years now and I don't wear ouit the bits, I lose em. NOTHING works better! Throw them screws away and get some Torx ones...you'll save yourself time, money and headaches!
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Posted: 08 Nov 2018 at 3:47pm |
OK, guys you gotta understand there are 2 type of bits... those made for IMPERIAL screws and them designed for the Metric part of the World. The bits are NOT interchangeable !! The same it TRUE for Robertson vs 'square drive' bits. Two totally different animals NOT interchangeable !! Yeah they'll 'work' but you'll get rounded bits or busted screws, or both...... I prefer true Robertson bits and screws. The double tapered design means the screws will NOT fall off the bit when you're up a 20' ladder. Historical note: Maodel A's Made in Canada used Roberston screws....
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Posted: 08 Nov 2018 at 4:51pm |
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I’ve tried them all in all configurations and was posted above have best luck with Milwaukee shockwave. The Dewalt the past few years have been soft.
We get some green anodized ones at the local lumberyard and they hold up decent.
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Posted: 08 Nov 2018 at 6:13pm |
I agree with Paul... I have had good luck with Bosch bits from Lowe's, and the ones that come standard, on the old Ryobi drills, from cheap homo... 
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Posted: 08 Nov 2018 at 10:42pm |
I know of a worse screwdriver head and it is a clutch head screw.  The screw gets stuck on the screwdriver or bit. Sometimes you have to pull the bit off the screw with a pliers. These were used on vintage travel trailers.
Edited by 1951WDNWWI - 08 Nov 2018 at 10:44pm
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Posted: 09 Nov 2018 at 9:30am |
Cheap Homo 
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Posted: 09 Nov 2018 at 8:37pm |
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the secret is to use the impact driver, no matter what screws you use... not a drill.
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Posted: 09 Nov 2018 at 10:31pm |
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Cheap Homo???
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Posted: 09 Nov 2018 at 11:17pm |
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There are some Stainless steel finish screws available, but in my experience a stainless steel screw is softer and stripes (sp) out faster than regular steel screws. and the china screws are also a soft steel.
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Posted: 10 Nov 2018 at 6:12am |
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Any star / phillips screws I have, I throw them away.
Have always used square / Robertson long before the torx came along.
I agree that Torx is a bit better than Robertson, but Robertson is the type most available in my area.
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Posted: 10 Nov 2018 at 9:36am |
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John, I'm thinking Dave means Cheap Home Depot for "Cheap Homo". I could be wrong though.
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Posted: 10 Nov 2018 at 9:46am |
steve(ill) wrote:
the secret is to use the impact driver, no matter what screws you use... not a drill. |
Agree with Steve. I only grab a drill to drill and use an impact for everything else. Bits seem to last much longer too.
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Posted: 10 Nov 2018 at 5:13pm |
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I do not keep any Phillips head screws and most of the Philips head screws that I encounter when taking something apart get turfed into the scap metal bucket unless they are a specialty screw for something that I have to reassemble so I don't wear out many drivers. I do the same for any screws that use a flat headed screw driver. The only Phillips head screws that I buy are drywall screws because they are intended to slip off the driver once they are set to the right depth. I use Robertson head screws almost 100% of the time. I do have a set of Torx drivers for when I encounter them but they are not that common. The only Torx head screws that I have bought so far are special screws for composite decking. The history of the patenting of Phillips and Robertson screws is an interesting read.
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Posted: 13 Nov 2018 at 7:12am |
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when I see a BIG container of loose phillips bits for sale on a counter...that tells me something! I usually have good luck with my name brand phillips bits, use them a lot, but once they slip they are done for and they go to the iron pile! when ever we have some type appliance go bad, i'll dismantle it, saving most all the screws from them ina glass jar, I have re-used a lot of them on different applications with success.
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Posted: 13 Nov 2018 at 8:31am |
I was talkin to a carpenter friend of mine and he said like ole Thad that the newer screws for heavy duty work have the torx head and the point of the torx is flat where the point of the phillips head is tapered and is why the phillips will jump out and wears out faster. Once it slips one time, it is gone. He gave me some that he had plus one of the torx bits and ,,,,and,,,,,thet thing will flat screw em in just like,,,,,never mind,,,,,they work,,!!
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Posted: 13 Nov 2018 at 9:20am |
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Just like they work when Joe get's 'busty'.. ah.. er... thet didn't come out right.. mmm.. Gets BUSY? There now, that looks right
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Posted: 13 Nov 2018 at 1:17pm |
Around 1980 I was running a service truck of an electrical contractor. I needed to change a bolt in breaker in a pice of electrical equipment. The bolts were maybe 1/4-20 Phillips heads. I had # 0 and #1 phillips drivers and no matter how hard I pushed in on that screwdriver and tried hold it in I could not get those screws loose. I called the shop and one of the drivers brought me a #2 phillips bit. I put that in my driver and those bolts came out real easy, couldn't believe the difference the larger pit made. Maybe it was a #1 & #2 that I had and they brought me a #3.
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Posted: 13 Nov 2018 at 6:43pm |
What's worse is pozidrive, that looks just like a phillips, till you strip it, or the bit, figgerin it out...
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