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TomYaz 
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Posted: 15 Jun 2011 at 12:11pm |
The All-Crop uses roller bearings that are dropped in a blind hole bearing. A washer like cap is placed over the top to keep the roller brearing in. It snaps in there snug because the washer is beveled and the bearing wall is grooved. Sorta like a snap ring.
Problem is try to get that!!@#!! cap off! Smacking it from the other side with a punch more often than not caused that grooved bearing wall to chip off as the cap forces its way off..
Have thought a bout using a slide hammer to perhaps force it off evenly to reduce the occurence. Thing is you pull on a slide hammer manually...Not sure one can get enough manual force to get that cap off...anybody tried this?
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David Grubb
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Posted: 15 Jun 2011 at 12:29pm |
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I'm not sure how things are assembled as you described but could you drill and tap the 'washer', install a zerk, and hydraulically force it out with a grease gun?
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Posted: 15 Jun 2011 at 12:46pm |
 David Grubb wrote:
I'm not sure how things are assembled as you described but could you drill and tap the 'washer', install a zerk, and hydraulically force it out with a grease gun? |
No that wont work: An example is below..parts 9,10,11
The end of part 11 is open for shaft to go thru. The washer part 9 is open too for same reason. I have put a small punch thru the back end of part 11 to knock the washer off from the inside but end up chipping the edge of the part 11 as the washer flies off...
Edited by TomYaz - 15 Jun 2011 at 12:46pm
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Posted: 15 Jun 2011 at 3:05pm |
Back in the day if you were removing the washer/bearing it was because something was worn and needed repairing, so chipping a part wasnt a big deal, you were using new parts any way. In the course of restoration you try and save a much as possible, but I dont have a better way of doing it.
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Posted: 15 Jun 2011 at 3:56pm |
skipwelte wrote:
Back in the day if you were removing the washer/bearing it was because something was worn and needed repairing, so chipping a part wasnt a big deal, you were using new parts any way. In the course of restoration you try and save a much as possible, but I dont have a better way of doing it. |
Well its the roller bearing I want to replace, the outer bearing(part 11) is fine and new ones are hard to come by. When I chip that edge on part 11, it degrades the tight fit of the cap to it, which can mean trouble down the road.
Edited by TomYaz - 15 Jun 2011 at 3:58pm
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Posted: 15 Jun 2011 at 4:14pm |
Assuming this "assembly" consist of parts 9,10 & 11 only;
Find (or make) a ring that has the same ID as the lesser diameter of part #11 and maybe 1" thick...the idea being that the material of #11 would be fully supported.
Place on press, and using a much smaller diameter drift (say 3/4") push directly in the center against the cap.
Pushing on the center should deform the "cap" until it comes out the end of #11
A bushing of sorts may be needed to guide the drift & keep it centered.
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Posted: 15 Jun 2011 at 4:48pm |
Gatz in NE wrote:
Assuming this "assembly" consist of parts 9,10 & 11 only;
Find (or make) a ring that has the same ID as the lesser diameter of part #11 and maybe 1" thick...the idea being that the material of #11 would be fully supported.
Place on press, and using a much smaller diameter drift (say 3/4") push directly in the center against the cap.
Pushing on the center should deform the "cap" until it comes out the end of #11
A bushing of sorts may be needed to guide the drift & keep it centered.
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Posted: 15 Jun 2011 at 5:47pm |
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Tom #9 is called a cage bearing its one of the throw away I have some used ones here some where. will try to found them tomorrow to see if I can get apart I was looking what your web site, all that come up is error. I was trying to find your phone no. to call you. John
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Posted: 15 Jun 2011 at 5:49pm |
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its a needle bearing they are small long roller bearing
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Posted: 15 Jun 2011 at 6:09pm |
John WV wrote:
Tom #9 is called a cage bearing its one of the throw away I have some used ones here some where. will try to found them tomorrow to see if I can get apart I was looking what your web site, all that come up is error. I was trying to find your phone no. to call you. John |
Yeah I know what it is. Just trying to get that needle bearing out of part 11 without damaging it or the cap I cant rely on finding good used ones forever.
Edited by TomYaz - 15 Jun 2011 at 6:10pm
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Posted: 15 Jun 2011 at 6:11pm |
John WV wrote:
Tom #9 is called a cage bearing its one of the throw away I have some used ones here some where. will try to found them tomorrow to see if I can get apart I was looking what your web site, all that come up is error. I was trying to find your phone no. to call you. John |
what is the link you are using?
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Posted: 15 Jun 2011 at 7:42pm |
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Tom, I received my cylinder bars last week. They really look good. I was surprised to see the holes drilled for them. I thought you had to drill your own in them but maybe I am wrong. Ryan
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