Badge Engineering

Hi all just been reading a Classic Tractor mag from april 2016 it was saying that the Allis 160 was in fact a Renault R7301 and the Allis 5050 was a Fiat 540 and from 1982 it was fitted with the Fiat 580 engine ,the Agco Allis 7650 was a Same Antares 130. what you see is not what you get 

They were and AC was one of the first to do this I think- if Allis were still in business I don't think parts would be such a problem as today for those models- actually the 6000 series was a smart move as it saved a ton of cash in engineering etc and still put together in West Allis

So many Deere owners think their under 70 HP utility tractors built since the late 1960's were built in Waterloo, Iowa !! Not True !!!

For Deere, I'm thinking West Germany.

Then there's Deere's skid steers. Early were Owatonna's, then made by New Holland. Riders were Areins with Yanmar motors instead of Kohler. Kools made JD blowers. Many successful companies had focused on one product line and bought the other equipment from outside sources.  

Deere rebadged mower conditioners that were built by Owatonna. Round balers for Deere were Vermeer. IH used hesston hay equipment badged as IH. Crenlo was building front cut Deere lawn mowers. Cat hired Crenlo to build cabs as did Deere, New Holland, J.I. Case, White and the Allis 6000 series cabs were also built by Crenlo.

When White came out with the 60 & 80, they were called the "American series" because they were the only small tractor made in America at the time. Those were great little tractors, revised Oliver 1555/1655 drivetrain, with some modern improvements, and the Cummins 4B & 4BT engines. 

The cross dressing like you mention, I've always attributed it to giving the other line dealers a similar car to sell, in the case of the S Blazer/Bravada deal. 

My little brother is a platform engineer (nerd) for case in. One of his first project was a utility tractor, early 2000s. He got the tool, dies and d field working for the allis d series , took it to Turkey to make frames shipped to east Germany for powertrains then brazelton England for electronic and cowlings. It was a great success, so the moron at case ih asked him to do it for less money. They moved it to India and it was an incredible disaster and they fired my brother. So a little part of allis tractors made it to the 21st century

Had an engineer come by the dairy in the ‘90s don’t remember who he worked for at the time but he told me he worked for Deere back in the ‘80s and was let go when all equipment lines was struggling. He worked in the hay and forage division said when they was developing any piece of equipment they would go and buy all the competitors equipment and use them on a research farm and they would try to pick the pest qualities of each and try to develop a prototype of it then go to testing and the manufacture. Said sometimes because of legalities couldn’t use some things so they would have to buy the product or have them manufacture it for Deere   We used to have a mower conditioner and there was a plate on the cutter bar that said manufactured by Kuhn for John Deere

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