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Posted: 19 Feb 2022 at 10:20pm |
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Do any of you "in-the -know" have an idea of the gear drive/hydro percentage offering from AC ? Thanks
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AC7060IL
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Posted: 21 Feb 2022 at 12:20pm |
Gear trans were standard equipment. Hydro-traction were optional. Gas engine was standard, diesel was optional. And...High interest rates (+19%) touched during this era too. Soooooo..........................
Not always, but probably distantly similar to engine choices - gas/gear & diesel/hydro?? Still see numerous diesel/gear combinations, too.
For 1977 short backs, the AC301 2800 diesel & GM292 gas.
For 1978-1982, GM292s/gear & AC433I/hydro?? And, ..maybe hydros increased each production year?
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Posted: 12 Apr 2022 at 10:48pm |
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I dont know percentages, but I figure our 1980 F2 gas hydro has to be a little uncommon. last year for gasoline. very low on option count, cab heater, bin extension, header clutch, hydro, and I believe that is everything. no shaft monitor, no a/c, manual auger, standard tires. The hydro and header clutch and heater make it a fun little corn rig.
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Gleaner: the properly engineered and built combine.
If you need parts for your Gleaner, we are parting out A's through L2's, so we may be able to help.
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Posted: 13 Apr 2022 at 10:13am |
 GM Guy wrote:
I dont know percentages, but I figure our 1980 F2 gas hydro has to be a little uncommon. last year for gasoline. very low on option count, cab heater, bin extension, header clutch, hydro, and I believe that is everything. no shaft monitor, no a/c, manual auger, standard tires. The hydro and header clutch and heater make it a fun little corn rig.
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Your 1980 F2 gas hydro does sounds like a fun setup (serial numbers 43701 up to 46200?). They're just good simple machines that keep on running. What cornhead do you have for it? How does it do for gas consumption - acres/gallon? According to the AC Gleaner F2 sales brochure & Norm's book, 1981 (serial numbers 46201 up to 48201) was the last F2 production run offering a GM292 gas engine. The 1982 F2 standard engine was the 433I diesel, no gas offered then.
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Posted: 13 Apr 2022 at 5:28pm |
GM Guy wrote:
I dont know percentages, but I figure our 1980 F2 gas hydro has to be a little uncommon. last year for gasoline. very low on option count, cab heater, bin extension, header clutch, hydro, and I believe that is everything. no shaft monitor, no a/c, manual auger, standard tires. The hydro and header clutch and heater make it a fun little corn rig.
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Glad to see you post again  GM Guy !!
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Posted: 13 Apr 2022 at 5:31pm |
AC7060IL wrote:
GM Guy wrote:
I dont know percentages, but I figure our 1980 F2 gas hydro has to be a little uncommon. last year for gasoline. very low on option count, cab heater, bin extension, header clutch, hydro, and I believe that is everything. no shaft monitor, no a/c, manual auger, standard tires. The hydro and header clutch and heater make it a fun little corn rig.
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Your 1980 F2 gas hydro does sounds like a fun setup (serial numbers 43701 up to 46200?). They're just good simple machines that keep on running. What cornhead do you have for it? How does it do for gas consumption - acres/gallon?According to the AC Gleaner F2 sales brochure & Norm's book, 1981 (serial numbers 46201 up to 48201) was the last F2 production run offering a GM292 gas engine. The 1982 F2 standard engine was the 433I diesel, no gas offered then.
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I'll have to grab the number but I know we verified it when we bought it, IIRC it wasin the 44,000 range. I'd love to see a 81 gasser, I wasnt aware of any choke lever provisions in the tan cab, thought that died with the black cab. I run a A430 black frame cornhead, also a 1980, likely came on the machine new, but have no way of verifying. Its a little hard on gas, but it was able to sit in the field not plugged in and fire off in some pretty cold weather, which was a great feature! :) Im sure some manifolds that dont leak and a little tuning would improve the consumption quite a bit. An actual corn chaffer that would let me run the machine to capacity would also help the fuel economy figures. Short day I could get by on 15-20 gallons, but wasnt exactly getting much done.
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Gleaner: the properly engineered and built combine.
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Posted: 14 Apr 2022 at 9:17pm |
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Which of the diesel engines was the better diesel engine in the F series Gleaner combine, the 6 cylinder engine or the 4 cylinder engine ? The F3 combine seem like a really nice combine for a small farm..
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Posted: 14 Apr 2022 at 9:35pm |
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Define "better". The 4-cylinder turbo charged and intercooled engine was more powerful and economical. Is that better ??
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Posted: 15 Apr 2022 at 3:20am |
DrAllis wrote:
Define "better". The 4-cylinder turbo charged and intercooled engine was more powerful and economical. Is that better ?? |
Yes, that answer my question. Was the 4 cylinder engine in the late model F2 ? It seems in the seventies and eighties there was Gleaner K and F models combines everywhere. But now you don’t hardly see any, did most wind up in scrap yards or are some sitting in sheds or fence row ?
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Posted: 15 Apr 2022 at 6:34am |
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There was ONE YEAR of F-2 with the 84 HP 6-cylinder 301 engine, and that was 1977. For the 1978 and beyond years it was the 95 HP turbo 4-banger with longer cleaning sieves and longer straw walkers and hydraulic swing unloader tube. The 1977 models were kind of a big yawn as it really wasn't much if any bigger than the model F it replaced.
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Posted: 15 Apr 2022 at 9:48am |
DrAllis wrote:
There was ONE YEAR of F-2 with the 84 HP 6-cylinder 301 engine, and that was 1977. For the 1978 and beyond years it was the 95 HP turbo 4-banger with longer cleaning sieves and longer straw walkers and hydraulic swing unloader tube. The 1977 models were kind of a big yawn as it really wasn't much if any bigger than the model F it replaced. |
Thanks for the information, you are very knowledgeable on this stuff. II think if I brought a 1977 F2 diesel new back then new and the next year the 1978 F2 diesel had the new 4 cylinder turbo diesel engine I would been disappointed aleast by your info. You would think they kept the 1977 model a F and wait till next year to introduce the all new F2. But to be fair I think all the farm equipment manufacturers made bad choices and decisions in the late seventies ( all of the different brands ).
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Posted: 15 Apr 2022 at 12:21pm |
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I used to be able to recite the square inches of cleaning shoe and straw walker separation, but the 78 and newer F-2-3 was as large as the old model "G" Gleaner and had a far better cleaning fan.
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Posted: 15 Apr 2022 at 1:01pm |
The 1977 year began the series 2 for both the K2 & F2. Like DrAllis said, their 77' improvements were "old hat" technology from their big brothers L & M. Their improvements included; 1. new transverse flow fan(1976 & earlier had 2 flat paddle fans).
2. new series 2 cab design, 3. new "early" tattletail monitoring electronics in cab(carry over from 1976). It consisted of a small red light mounted down low on the right hand console by the base of the gear shift. If operator wasn't looking down, they'd seldom see that red light indicating that the front rock trap door had opened(terrible placement) Might of had an audible alarm too?
4. Electric header throwout clutch. Rocker switch mounted on upper right hand console.
5. slight increase in K2(68bu,instead of 66bu) grain tank size, F2(still@77bu)did offer an increase with it's newer extensions(105bu,instead of 97bu). No extensions for K2(farmer built wooden ones). 6. air flow grain saver for rolling ground. 7. electronic distributor ignition on GM250/GM292 gas engines. It was a 2 piece design(coil/distributor).
... plus maybe a few others that I may have forgotten.
The F2 had individual wheel brakes as standard. The K2 wheel brakes were optional. Each had a transmission foot brake standard. GM250 gas for K2 - no diesel yet. Both the 77' k2/f2 only offered unloading auger of the manual fold spring assist type.
The 1978 year matured the 77's early improvements. The tattletail system used larger rectangular "alert lights" boxed & mounted into upper console directly above operator's line of sight(better placement) & had an audible alarm with a test button for both k2/f2. Hydraulic swivel unloading auger became optional for both. longer separation/cleaning area (walkers, chaffer,sieve) for both. Grain tank sizes for F2 (80bu / 120bu extensions), K2 (68bu & 96bu extensions-1st year offered!). Electronic distributor ignition became a 1 piece design(coil housed inside the distrutor cab/assembly).
The "tan cab" became available in 1982, the last year for the F2
with the 433I (intercooled/turbo) only. The "black cab ended in 1981, the last year the K2 was built with either a 433T(turbo only) or GM250 6 cylinder gas engine. Thus this year ended any further gas combine engines.
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