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Posted: 04 Aug 2024 at 10:06am |
I came across an early combine in a fence row. It's been outside for years, but it is one of the early ones with the rounded sheet metal. Sorry, I did not get a chance to take pictures and didn't know where to find the serial number on these earlier machines at the time (I do now after some internet research).
In order to get it home I would have to get the spoke wheels off and have new tires put on, and drag it ~100 miles home. The guy wanted me to come pull any parts I wanted off of it before he scraps it, but now I'm wondering if I should try to save the whole combine. It has the rounded sheet metal, elevator inside the bin, and a whole bunch of other little things unique to the earlier harvesters.
My limit in the past has been about 20 miles for dragging them home.
I'm not sure how unique these are other than I have only ever seen the one in person at Hutchinson. I found a few other posts on the forum where guys had a handful. Is it worth the trouble of dragging the whole thing home to save it?
Edited by wjohn - 04 Aug 2024 at 11:24am
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Posted: 04 Aug 2024 at 1:12pm |
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Well if it gets scraped it will be one less on the earth…
Is it an All Crop?
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Posted: 04 Aug 2024 at 2:38pm |
 55allis wrote:
Well if it gets scraped it will be one less on the earth…
Is it an All Crop?
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I did not want to refer to it as an All-Crop because I am not sure of the serial number, but more or less, yes. They didn't start calling them "All-Crop Harvesters" until 1936 or so from what I have read on here and seen in literature. The earlier ones were called "High Speed Combines."
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Posted: 04 Aug 2024 at 3:36pm |
This the beastie?
Made in '38, '39, and '40, 15,000 or more of them...
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Posted: 04 Aug 2024 at 3:54pm |
DiyDave wrote:
This the beastie? |
No sir, not a 40. This combine is one of the earlier ones that eventually became called the 60.
It's like what is shown at this timestamp here:
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Posted: 04 Aug 2024 at 6:46pm |
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Drag/Pull it home. You may decide it was not worthwhile; but you will always wonder (if you don't bring it home). Herb(GA)
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Posted: 04 Aug 2024 at 10:59pm |
I found this, hope it helps!!! https://www.allischalmers.com/forum/hauling-a-combine_topic126084.html
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Posted: 05 Aug 2024 at 6:12am |
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Good luck with the combine, hope you can save it!
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Posted: 05 Aug 2024 at 6:24am |
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The rounded ones where called a camelback. There was not an unloading auger, just a flip over spout. Can you get a picture from the history walk that was done at the Hutch show?
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Posted: 05 Aug 2024 at 11:57pm |
Thanks guys!
Mike, would you drag it home? I'm not big on having stuff around that I wouldn't use, but I may have to bend the rules on this one. Did drag an okay looking 63 plow home today.
Lon, I didn't take any good pics of it while I was there (sure wish I had now!) but I did find some neat ones on the internet. Here's one of them.
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Posted: 06 Aug 2024 at 5:51am |
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That is a camel back. very early and hard to find. Does it have the square tube above the cylinder like in the picture?
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Posted: 06 Aug 2024 at 8:03am |
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I probably would not, hate to see it go to scrap but those things take up a lot of space. Pull type combines really aren't 'my thing'. And, I've got a backlog of projects around here about a mile long already!
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Posted: 06 Aug 2024 at 6:27pm |
Lon(MN) wrote:
That is a camel back. very early and hard to find. Does it have the square tube above the cylinder like in the picture? |
I don't think it did. From what I was able to find, that was something they did a recall on, or changed very early on in production?
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Posted: 07 Aug 2024 at 7:05am |
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If you are up to saving it, Always a project moving a combine. It is rare.
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Posted: 07 Aug 2024 at 11:24am |
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A High Speed/All-Crop Harvester has been on my “want to find” list for some time, but as Lon has said, they are rare. They have their nuances that make them inconvenient and antiquated compared to the model 60s even just a few years newer, so a lot were scrapped. Would be great to see some photos of it.
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Posted: 07 Aug 2024 at 11:28am |
wjohn wrote:
I don't think it did. From what I was able to find, that was something they did a recall on, or changed very early on in production? |
Yes, the 1935 High Speed and the 1936 All-Crop Harvester had it, it’s a re-cleaning device for the tailings. The 1937 All-Crop did not have it, as they tended to shake apart. “Camelback” is a common term people use for the combines but it’s a slang rather than official title.
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Posted: 07 Aug 2024 at 6:50pm |
You guys sure are enablers. I was hoping to hear that there were hundreds of these still hanging around and I could just steal parts and let it go to the crusher. Guess I will see if I can get the thing jacked up to pull the spoked wheels off, and get some tires put on if the rims are still okay.
Towing it at 20-25 MPH will make for a long afternoon if it can make the trip.
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Posted: 07 Aug 2024 at 9:46pm |
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Your best bet will be to get new tires for the spoked wheels if the rims are good. You can put later model 60 rims on but you have to change the hub also. These combines didn’t have wheel bearings but rather brass bushings, so make sure you grease them well and probably be best to stay under 30 mph. Grease is your friend with these hubs, I’d give them a few shots every 15 miles if it was me.
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Posted: 05 Oct 2025 at 10:46pm |
A good while later... I finally got it home today. It's rough and missing plenty of things, but I'm hoping with another one I could make a good early-ish combine. Wheels are good, header is pretty good, and the unloading elevator seems to be decent. Is that the serial number (11432)? It's stamped on the LH side of the combine near the cylinder, close to where it is on the newer 60s. The "7-" part is throwing me off.
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Posted: 06 Oct 2025 at 12:01am |
I might know of one in a creek near me… 
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Posted: 07 Oct 2025 at 5:51pm |
55allis wrote:
I might know of one in a creek near me… |
I remember your post on those! Too bad they're not closer... those are exactly the sort of combines that combined (pun intended?) with mine might have enough decent parts to make a good one.
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Posted: 07 Oct 2025 at 9:35pm |
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How “legal” was you when you hauled yours on the trailer?
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Posted: 22 hours 38 minutes ago at 5:22pm |
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No issues (disclaimer - everyone do your own research on your own state's rules for transporting ag equipment). I was under height but over 102" wide, so I only would've needed a permit if I had to go on the interstate here. I did not have to.
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Posted: 21 hours 44 minutes ago at 6:16pm |
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How is the wood in your?
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Posted: 18 hours 42 minutes ago at 9:18pm |
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Ya know,, for as long as it's been settin,, it don't look THAT bad,, but the pictures don't really show the places where they really like to rust out.
Good luck with you new toy!!
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Posted: 17 hours 53 minutes ago at 10:07pm |
The wood is rough and the cleaning shoe is actually entirely gone. The concave sheet metal is gone and some of the other low spots are rusted through as well. I need to take some better pictures tomorrow so it is clear how much of a heap it is. It also had a tree or something fall on the top part of the straw walker housing.
On the plus side I did get 1/12" (red/white clovers and turnips) and 3/8" (soybean) screens with it, which I didn't have yet.
Priority wise, this thing will probably sit until I find another. I'd rather get my newer 60 functioning first anyhow.
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Posted: 17 hours 7 minutes ago at 10:53pm |
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Could you get some pictures of the screens?
I’d like to see them to know what I need for my 60A, I don’t think mine has any screens (set for oats).
I’d love to combine some soybeans with it when I get it going!!
I can look to see what is still good on the two in the creek when I go down there.
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Posted: 7 hours 27 minutes ago at 8:33am |
I'm late to this discussion. There is what appears to be unrestored original All Crop on display at The National Ag Hall of Fame & Museum in Bonner Springs, KS. I volunteer there & the place has been there 60 yrs. Anyway, here is the wording placard description. "In 1930, Californians Robert Fleming & Guy Hall demonstrated their combine in Kenosha County, Wisconsin. Harry Merritt, Allis Chalmers' chief engineer, paid them $25,000. for the rights to produce this smallest-ever combine. Distinguishing features of this "baby combine" were its small size, lightweight 'scoop shovel' front end and full width wire brush cylinder. Beginning in 1932, Allis Chalmers replaced wire brushes with rubber-covered angle bars that provided a resilient flailing action on the grain without chewing up the straw. Further adaption involved replacing link chain with rubber V-belts. The Model 60, debuting in 1932, weighed 2800 lbs, cut 5.5 ft. swath, and was mounted on pneumatic tires. The Model 60 could be pulled & powered with ease from the pto of a 2-plow tractor. In 1936, 8,000 Model 60's were sold for $595. each. In comparison, the Model 40 sold for $345. when it first appeared on the market in 1938" I'm not sure of the origine of this item but might be able to find out. It's parked alongside of a cutaway Gleaner self-propelled donated by Gleaner back in the glory days.
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