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Rhoadesy_65 
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Posted: Yesterday at 7:04am |
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Going to look at and probably buy an Allis Row cultivator today. I played around with AI and it thinks its likely a 6000 or 8000 cultivator, but I don't know much about them or any cultivating in general. Grandpa went no-till in the early 2000s, and I'm not sure the last time any cultivating was done in the family. They (great grandpa) used to use my Farmall H with a mounted cultivator way back. Dad and I are back to turning dirt, and in in effort to get some cost savings on chemicals and such I plan to give this a try. We chisel plow in the fall, and run an AC 1200 FC in the spring with a harrowgator behind it. Then plant with a 6 row 7000 JD. Hoping to cultivate Corn and soybeans. Ill get pics of this thing when i get it home, From the pics I can see it has rolling shields on it. Im looking for advice on how to set it, how to run it, stories from days gone by, anything. Likely to run it on it on our Massey 2607H (MFWD) or the 6080(2wd). Our 8010 is also on 30 inch centers
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Lars(wi)
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Posted: Yesterday at 8:23am |
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For starters, how many acres do you plan on cultivating?
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I tried to follow the science, but it was not there. I then followed the money, and that’s where I found the science.
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Rhoadesy_65
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Posted: Yesterday at 8:27am |
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We farm about 50 acres of corn and beans right now. Ill have 5 acres of beans that I will for sure try to cultivate. The rest will be up to Dad. The following year I will have 30 acres of corn plus dads 50 acres of corn/beans.
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Posted: Yesterday at 9:27am |
 Rhoadesy_65 wrote:
We farm about 50 acres of corn and beans right now. Ill have 5 acres of beans that I will for sure try to cultivate. The rest will be up to Dad. The following year I will have 30 acres of corn plus dads 50 acres of corn/beans. |
Gotcha, in my opinion, with those acres, a 6 row narrow cultivator would be more than enough. If possible, do you have access to a narrow front end tractor w/3 pt hitch? The last time I cultivated, used a JI Case 830 Comfort King(diesel) narrow front. As the old saying goes; handier than a shirt pocket.
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I tried to follow the science, but it was not there. I then followed the money, and that’s where I found the science.
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Rhoadesy_65
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Posted: Yesterday at 9:46am |
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I should have specified, the one Im looking at is a 6 row currently set on 30s. We have 7010, 6080, 8010, and the Massey 2607H. Only narrow front is the H, and it doesnt have 3pt. The massey works decent for sidedressing, doesnt turn real tight, but we use a 7 row side dress rig in the past and it gets the job done. If this works out my next tractor purchase might be something better suited. Im not real big on narrow front but understand the advantage.
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Posted: Yesterday at 9:59am |
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Look straight forward . Don't look back at the cultivator and when the crop is small be prepared to go slow. Not a job you can rush thru. For 6 row 30s a wide front tractor will turn just fine as long as it isn't a front wheel drive.
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Posted: Yesterday at 10:37am |
When trying to return to conventional till and cultivation for weed control, remember that the more weeds you eliminate with tillage prior to planting the less you'll have after emergence. However the first few years you will have to rely on herbicides maybe more than you'd like. Fall plowing and multiple passes after weeds germinate will be the needed plan. Also with beans any cultivating done after flower setting will knock off flowers and lower yield.
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Posted: Yesterday at 11:32am |
PaulB wrote:
When trying to return to conventional till and cultivation for weed control, remember that the more weeds you eliminate with tillage prior to planting the less you'll have after emergence. However the first few years you will have to rely on herbicides maybe more than you'd like. Fall plowing and multiple passes after weeds germinate will be the needed plan. Also with beans any cultivating done after flower setting will knock off flowers and lower yield. |
Dad and I have been running a mix of no-till, minimum and conventional tillage the last few years. I tend to lean conventional. Chisel in fall, one to two passes with cultivator/harrowgater combo, and then plant corn and drill beans. I have been spraying by myself the last two years with Grandpas rig, and have had rough results with weeds. We are also looking for ways to cut some production costs. Next year I want to try 30 inch beans with the planter. Dad did some this year and they look decent considering the rain shut two months ago. Im thinking as a plan going forward maybe a pass of herbicide by either myself or the Co-op right after planting, and then cultivate once the plants are ~6 inches tall. This will cut the second herbicide pass out on all the stuff the co-op sprays and clean up my bad spraying job if I do it.
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Posted: Yesterday at 5:59pm |
My personal opinion. I'd try to find a Buffalo 6 x 30" 3 pt cultivator. The older ones with a center "pizza cutter wheel" in center and a concave disc on each side w large shovel at rear will cut thru almost any weed but not trees. At 1 auction they bring $250 and next they bring $3000+. We ran 2 of them on 70 hp AC180/185 tractors in Loess Hills of western Iowa. In traditional tillage or reduced till, a good discing 3-4" just days before planting will cut down on a lot of small weeds. |
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Posted: 22 hours 54 minutes ago at 6:32pm |
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Cultivator setup.
0. Carry appropriate wrenches,hammer,extra shovels, extra bolts/nuts/lock washers, etc in tractor toolbox. Or if no toolbox & no cab, place all tools, shovels, hardware, inside a sturdy plastic 5 gal bucket with lid. Bungie bucket onto operators platform. When doing adjustments, bucket doubles as a seat to save bending your back. Good catch all for worn parts too.
1. Replace dull shovels with new sharp ones.
2. Set tractor’s 3 pt’s lower arms sway bars so cultivator has allowance to trail, center itself, & follow around contour/curved rows.
3. Level cultivator with 3pt’s upper link. Set so all shovels enter soil simultaneously.
4. Adjust individual shovels as required. (Depth? Side to side? Spring tension?)
5. Adjust gang depth wheels if available.
6. Rotary fenders can be nicer than fixed fenders. Both may need relaxed adjustment?
Take necessary breaks for operator. Pee breaks are good time to scan whole cultivator for any issues. Stop if fatigued. Cultivating is not a race. Quality over quantity.
Look into a “tine weeder.” It offers somewhat better weed control when crop is smaller & probably more effective than a rotary hoe? If a tine weeder is utilized, then taller crop could benefit from a shovel type row cultivator that can throw more soil inward/around crop row plants, covering in row weeds?
Probably a bigger challenge is later emerging weeds (morning glory, waterhemp, etc)? In 30” Soybeans, consider using gramoxone in a weed wiper once the weeds grow past soybeans. Don’t prune corn roots by trying to cultivate it too late ~ stop at 5-6 leaf stage? Sidedress N on last cultivator pass. Dribble 32% UAN & water (1/3N~2/3water) behind one of gangs small front shovels that allow rear shovel to cover N mixture. Water helps bind N during droughty conditions.
Edited by AC7060IL - 22 hours 15 minutes ago at 7:11pm
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Posted: 22 hours 48 minutes ago at 6:38pm |
I would second, the Buffalo cultivator, https://www.apacheequipment.com/henkebuffalo/cultivators.asp#10. Either the 6600, or the 6300. The Culti-Vision, ( https://bluestemag.com/culti-vision/) makes it easy to stay on the row. Or the Buffalo guidance system, (more money) then you just drive.
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Posted: 22 hours 47 minutes ago at 6:39pm |
Here’s a 4 minute video about a tine weeder. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=22G879_WpFg&pp=ygULdGluZSB3ZWVkZXI%3D
Edited by AC7060IL - 22 hours 46 minutes ago at 6:40pm
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Posted: 10 hours 36 minutes ago at 6:50am |
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Ill have to get a picture of it once I get it unloaded and washed off, but it is a Model 90 according to the sticker on the frame. Cant seem to find much about it, even on the Agco Parts book. Mine has the rubber mounted shanks like our 1200 FC has on it. I did read about the Buffalo Cultivators I think yesterday, as a cultivator set up for heavier residue. Im hoping this cultivator will work good for most of our used assuming we chisel in the fall and bury most of the residue. I havent seen one of those for sale locally, cultivating is not a common practice around here anymore.
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Posted: 9 hours 58 minutes ago at 7:28am |
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Being as you are buying something I'd look hard for some front mounted cultivators on something
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Posted: 9 hours 18 minutes ago at 8:08am |
Gary Burnett wrote:
Being as you are buying something I'd look hard for some front mounted cultivators on something |
I second the front mount. The weather is the key, rotary hoeing before the weeds emerge is huge.
When its too wet to cultivate or hoe... what a mess.
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Posted: 8 hours 58 minutes ago at 8:28am |
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I have thought about that, we had a wet start to the summer, and likely wouldnt have had much chance to cultivate. Im hoping in that case I will be able to fall back on chemical control. I do want to say I appreciate the advice on buying a front mount cultivator or another brand of cultivator; however, I have $500 into buying this model 90(or possibly 93 or 95?). Front mount cultivator would likely require me to both find a 6 row front mount 30 inch and also a tractor to mount it to. I guess at this point Im looking for advice/experience with either this cultivator or the process of cultivating in general.
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Posted: 7 hours 4 minutes ago at 10:22am |
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Back in the day(late 70’ to mid 80’s), of the corn varieties that were on the market at that time, acres that were ‘cultivated’ irregardless if weeds were a challenge, always produced better yields.
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Posted: 6 hours 50 minutes ago at 10:36am |
Rhoadesy_65, AC coined their 1000s series FC (1200s-1300s) rubber mounted cultivator shanks as the "quiet ones," or "silent weed killers". They were introduced around the 1968 era & produced thru the 1980s. Shanks usually had a clearance of 19" from its rubber mounts. During in-field use, AC claimed that the shanks vibrated in all directions, thus better uprooting of weeds? Overall they proved to be very durable & low maintenance. Shanks can be sprang/bent out of shape if mistreated(tree roots/stones/etc). A quick look across the ganges & you'd notice one bent out of shape. If bent, torch heat it cherry red, re-shape it, & let it cool on its own.
With this AC row cultivator's constant height Silent Weed Killer shanks, leveling it is everything. To level it, check your tractor's rear tire pressures to make them equal heights. Then check - adjust tractor's lower 3 pt hitch arms to keep them same heights(level). That should level your row cultivator's left to right & visa-versa.
Keep gange shovels new/sharp. Also keep gangs level from front to back by using 3pt's top link for adjustments. If gange's parallel linkage becomes excessively worn, it might dig more on one side than the other? If thats the case, you could try mounting older/duller shovels on problem side to discourage excessive digging on that side?? Thats only a temporary fix though. Eventually, just rebuild worn parallel linkages.
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Posted: 6 hours 37 minutes ago at 10:49am |
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I know a lot of guys found cultivating corn(or beans) incredibly boring, and they hated it with a passion. Some have even gone as far as claiming “if I have to go back to cultivating, I will sell the farm”. I never felt that way about cultivating, to me the most boring ‘field work’ job on the farm was ‘discing’, I loved to moldboard plow, loved planting corn and sowing oats, hated discing, but that’s me.
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