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I have noticed our CA has a slight "rough idle," and is also a bit "rough at full throttle." I adjusted the jet screw and it was a bit better at an idle, but still overall not a "smooth running engine" at an idle and at a full throttle.

Thus, thinking about this thread, I added a slight choke and it smoothed out at both an idle and full throttle. Thus, not enough fuel!! Agree???

I am now thinking...... I need to enlarge the main jet bore size such that I do not need to choke it (albeit, a bit of choke is easy to do!).

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However, with all the trouble you are having with your carbs and modifications, I am hesitant to modify our CA.

However, I have no doubt you and Les Kerf will solve your issue!

Then maybe I will modify my CA carb...??

Dan

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CA guys,
Carb thoughts. I am very happy with the carb function on our CA. ( note I do have to shut the gas off or it will flood). But the little Zenith carb was taken apart, soaked, and cleaned and it seems to work very well so far. I tend to like the Marvel carbs a little better for some reason. 
Interesting that the title of the thread was electrical and it changed into carb information. Not unusual for one or the other to be suspect.
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Originally posted by dfwallis dfwallis wrote:

Question...the Zenith main jet is not the same size all the way through...the very tip is much smaller. Either it is stepped or they didn't bore all the way through...docs online seems to suggest Zenith does not use stepped or tapered jets ?? 12566

I had a chance to do some tuning on Mr. Cato's tractor yesterday afternoon, it too did not want to rev up without some choke which indicates a lean condition. We previously had only ran it enough for a brief joyride and photo op around the barnyard.

This tractor now has the B-125 engine from the Model 60 Allis combine which I saw running back in the mid 1970's. The carburetor is the Zenith unit that was on it at that time.

This carburetor also had a stepped main jet and is equipped with an adjustable needle; I say 'had' because I hogged out that main jet with an 0.089" drill, set the adjusting needle at 2-1/2 turns open and then cranked it up.

Advancing the throttle resulted in LOTS of black smoke along with sputtering and mis-firing! Embarrassed

It was then a simple matter to adjust the needle in a bit and it smoothed out nicely Smile

I am a bit puzzled as to why this engine with the very same carburetor seems to demand more fuel; is the gasoline that much different nowadays? I am running non-ethanol premium fuel in all of my off-road engines. Confused



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Originally posted by Sugarmaker Sugarmaker wrote:

CA guys,
Carb thoughts. I am very happy with the carb function on our CA. ( note I do have to shut the gas off or it will flood). But the little Zenith carb was taken apart, soaked, and cleaned and it seems to work very well so far. I tend to like the Marvel carbs a little better for some reason. 
Interesting that the title of the thread was electrical and it changed into carb information. Not unusual for one or the other to be suspect.
Regards,
 Chris and Cheryl

It all started with my timing light.  I knew there were carb issues, but the timing light (digital not neon) still shows misfiring.  So I bought a fancy engine analyzer and it also showed misfiring.  Months later, after discussions with the vendor, they provided a software update that eliminated the misfire readings.  The spark signal sometimes doesn't go back to zero and so the analyzer (and presumably the digital timing light) was not resetting the trigger.  That's when I switched back to carburetor.  I had put a full rebuild kit in the TSX486 but there were several completely mangled jets that were nearly impossible to get out.  The very last one was recessed in a tunnel and the easy outs I could find would not fit.  I didn't want to mod the carburetor, so I finally sent it out for a rebuild.  Well, turns out, he couldn't get it out either without modding the carburetor (drilling the access port to a larger size).  But there was no change in misfire behavior when I got it back.  I attempted to find another TSX486 but was unsuccessful.  I did however acquire a TSX670 (which someone here said was compatible but isn't without quite a few mods).  It runs a little better with the modified TSX670, in fact as good as the zenith at idle.  It runs much better than the zenith in terms of responding correctly to sudden governor/load changes.  But it misfires more than the zenith at higher RPMs (so long as you only make slow RPM changes with the zenith, otherwise it completely dies).

So, I plan to go over the 486 one more time.  I have acquired extensive documentation now.  I've noticed a few potential issues that I need to check further but it may be a few months before I get to it now that I have the tractor usable again with the 670.  1) I see what appears to be microcracks in the bowl.  These are over the reservoir for the main jet.  I've not confirmed it.  2) the idle adjust needle in the rebuild kit is shorter than the original. I suspect the spring is compressing before it reaches the seat.  3) I suspect the idle seat is damaged given the damage to the original needle.  4) There is now no correct economizer jet installed (0.0775") after the rebuild.  Prior to the rebuild, a jet of that size was installed in the wrong position.  So I will try to get the right jets in the right positions.

I will also try to readjust timing and the TSX670 load/main adjusting screw to try to improve higher RPM performance.  If I get it working well, I'll probably leave the 670 installed but keep the 486 in working condition since it is the original.

I had switched to cleaning up the 2-14 plow this last trip.  I may have it cleaned/repaired and back together next trip.  Not finding parts for it, I had to weld one moldboard and one share.  I'm missing one moldboard extension and one draw rod.  I'm not too happy with the weld repairs and will continue trying to find replacements.  But it will be usable with the weld repairs.
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Originally posted by Les Kerf Les Kerf wrote:

Originally posted by dfwallis dfwallis wrote:

Question...the Zenith main jet is not the same size all the way through...the very tip is much smaller. Either it is stepped or they didn't bore all the way through...docs online seems to suggest Zenith does not use stepped or tapered jets ?? 12566

I had a chance to do some tuning on Mr. Cato's tractor yesterday afternoon, it too did not want to rev up without some choke which indicates a lean condition. We previously had only ran it enough for a brief joyride and photo op around the barnyard.

This tractor now has the B-125 engine from the Model 60 Allis combine which I saw running back in the mid 1970's. The carburetor is the Zenith unit that was on it at that time.

This carburetor also had a stepped main jet and is equipped with an adjustable needle; I say 'had' because I hogged out that main jet with an 0.089" drill, set the adjusting needle at 2-1/2 turns open and then cranked it up.

Advancing the throttle resulted in LOTS of black smoke along with sputtering and mis-firing! Embarrassed

It was then a simple matter to adjust the needle in a bit and it smoothed out nicely Smile

I am a bit puzzled as to why this engine with the very same carburetor seems to demand more fuel; is the gasoline that much different nowadays? I am running non-ethanol premium fuel in all of my off-road engines. Confused




I only assume that a carburetor change to the 486 was made as part of the 11% increase in horsepower for the CA vs the C (along with compression ratio increase and rated RPM increase and ?).  I had the head machined.  I thought 130PSI was a little higher than stock expectation (with overbore piston kit).  I was wondering if that may have made the 486 carburetor jet configuration less compatible.
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I was suspecting that the variation in the same carburetor working or not working was due to the variation in the caliber of the brass machined jet and that not all kits are the same.



However, a wild and crazy idea...... would be fun to find a fuel injector that could deliver exactly the fuel needed at any RPM.

I have a friend who has uses the "Holley Sniper" which needs to be a down draft system and replaces a carburetor. They do make a "single barrel" system that is designed to replace a single barrel carb for a small engine (144ci to 300ci). However, they do not have anything smaller that would be something usable for a CA (125ci). EFI typically adds quite a bit of power..... Chris, would be good for pulling!!

Wonder if there isn't something out there that would work and not be an outlandish amount of $$$$

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I did send a message to the Holley Performance team and asked them if they had anything for our little AC friends.

Never know, they might tell me it is not possible... or??

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Originally posted by CA13414 CA13414 wrote:

I did send a message to the Holley Performance team and asked them if they had anything for our little AC friends.

Never know, they might tell me it is not possible... or??

Dan
would be an interesting test
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