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    Posted: 04 Sep 2022 at 8:36pm
I am changing the valve cover gasket on my 6080 and noticed the previous owner had oversized nuts as spacers over the shoulders of the bolts.  The parts book appears to show a stack of flat washers as spacers.  What is the reason for this and is there anything special about them.  Can I use ordinary flat washers instead?

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They have to have the correct number of spring washers or it will tighten down too tight or too loose. If I remember correctly it is seven spring washers.                 MACK
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It should be a shouder
bolt so it wont tighten too tight. Ive never seen one leak with that shoulder bolt and spring washer kit
1984 80780
1957 D14
DES 300 with 25000 engine
616 tractor
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They are NOT flat washers.They are kinda "w" shaped. I was thinking they face each other every other one. It's what's on 8000 series 426's.
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They were shaped like a disc blade. Every other one was stacked and it was like a spring.
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They sound like 'bellevill' (sp) washers, which are a form of spring.
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Bellville washers. Seven of them taped together to make them as one. Trouble is with time and heat the tape deteriorates and then you have seven individual parts laying in a pile.
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Sooo....positioning is...with bolt in position, bottom one facing down against cover then next pair facing each other then repeat again for the 2 pair left? Only trying logic. How'd I do?
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BINGO  !!!   We have a winner.
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wonder why they didnt use a thick rubber washer ?
Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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Many thanks!  Going to try ordering them from AGCO tomorrow.  Hoping they are still available.
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Originally posted by steve(ill) steve(ill) wrote:

wonder why they didnt use a thick rubber washer ?
I'd say because the washer setup would last longer....My 220 just has Phillips head screws through the gasket. Old school it is but has never been a problem in over 30 yrs.
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Pt #74036977 still listed with a price so must be available? $55.87....wonder if that's per fastener? Doesn't say. Call a dealer.They can find out.
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Might be a whole "kit" for one engine.
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Just the washer stack #74036973
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