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DougG ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 20 Sep 2009 Location: Mo Points: 8357 |
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Sadly its a matter of time as Ford will be in a foreign companys control- if it isnt already
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shameless dude ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 Apr 2017 Location: east NE Points: 13607 |
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i wouldn't buy a toyota or nissan cuz they sell their trucks to the taliban that kill our troops!
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1955CA ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 Sep 2018 Location: Ontario, Canada Points: 602 |
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Nissan better??? Bahahaha. You couldn't keep rear ends in the original Titan's. Now they are rebranded Ram's.
Anyway, Ford is not perfect. Have had good and bad. Last 10 years been buying other brands because my Ford DEALER pee'd me off. Now I'm back to Ford and swore to myself I'll never go back to the others. Only other thing is now I have gone back to gasoline engines only. I am never dealing with emission diesels again now that I have retired from trucking. And that goes for ALL brands. Like has been said.....there must be a reason Ford has been the best selling truck in North America for years and years and years.
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steve(ill) ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: illinois Points: 87948 |
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And these "CLOWNS" are the hardest working, White, NON -UNION people that I've been around in a LONG time ...
So.... have you got something against "UNION" Mexican or IRISH CLOWNS ??
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Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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TimNearFortWorth ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Dec 2009 Points: 2014 |
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AMEN JW, when a contractor shows up at my place in a $85K loaded King Ranch (that never get's worked and is just for show), pretty safe to say his quote will be the highest every time!
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Dorix ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 21 Apr 2020 Location: fox valley Points: 1053 |
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I think China is as big a threat to Ford and the others as their own bad management. I wonder how much of those contractors Fords were actually made here?
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Thad in AR. ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Arkansas Points: 9659 |
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Yes exactly ??? |
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Tbone95 ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 31 Aug 2012 Location: Michigan Points: 12192 |
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Alan Mullaly came to Ford in the nick of time. He came on board in 2006, before the crap really started hitting the fan. The car companies used to count vehicles moved by dealer orders. Mullaly basically said, "That is stupid. A vehicle moves when it is sold to a customer." So studying all the inventory out there, he saw early on when sales were slowing way down, and slowed building (which takes investing cash) way down. GM dealers kept ordering cars so GM kept producing, then they had a huge glut, big money spent, very little coming in, where Ford was able to ride it out.
Simplification, and more to it than that, but that's an interesting piece of it to me.
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WF owner ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 May 2013 Location: Bombay NY Points: 5026 |
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That is only part of the GM story. Locally, GM abandoned a plant where they had dumped PCB's for years and paid only a small percentage of the cleanup costs, while the federal government picked up the tab for the remainder. Local GM employees were forced to retire, transfer or find other jobs. Meanwhile GM reported substantial earnings in the following years, but had no obligation to repay the federal government for the cleanups. I have already given plenty to GM through my taxes. |
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Tbone95 ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 31 Aug 2012 Location: Michigan Points: 12192 |
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![]() ![]() Guess who now is the "best" car company, according to CR I think it was...
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Kansas99 ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 26 Feb 2015 Location: W Kansas Points: 4868 |
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Years back I kinda liked the Ford Rangers but the quality was so bad I bought a Mazda instead.
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"Thank you for your service Joe & the Ho"-----Joseph Stalin
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Lars(wi) ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Permian Basin Points: 8085 |
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We have two separate topics going here,
1. Who makes a better product 2. Which is a better run company In my mind, if a company has to go begging to the govt hat in hand, crying the blues, they need help from the govt to survive, a pox on that company, and the govt for helping. Regardless of the quality of their product, if a company can’t stand alone and survive, I’ve got no time for them. GM is dead to me. |
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I tried to follow the science, but it was not there. I then followed the money, and that’s where I found the science.
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Kansas99 ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 26 Feb 2015 Location: W Kansas Points: 4868 |
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"Thank you for your service Joe & the Ho"-----Joseph Stalin
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DiyDave ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Gambrills, MD Points: 54164 |
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Why would race have anything to do with car ownership?
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Jordan(OH) ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Celina, OH Points: 1565 |
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Did you get this from your fake ‘dealer website?’ Give it up. |
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AllisFreak MN ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Dec 2009 Location: Minnesota Points: 1586 |
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Someone's been hit'n the corn squeezin's again.
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'49 A-C WD, '51 A-C WD, '63 A-C D17 Series III, 1968 A-C One-Seventy, '82 A-C 6060, '75 A-C 7040, A-C #3 sickle mower, 2 A-C 701 wagons, '78 Gleaner M2
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Ray54 ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 22 Nov 2009 Location: Paso Robles, Ca Points: 4745 |
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Amazing how you guys get a idea in your head it stays forever. I have seen them all sitting on the side the road. Some people can make any of them run. DJ WE NEED YOU there are dead truck you can get cheap.
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DougG ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 20 Sep 2009 Location: Mo Points: 8357 |
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Luv Steve Brights answer ! The Ford debt talk is all here say- , one thing to remember fellas - the foreign guys/ companies all have stock - or money invested in all the big names and are getting deeper in so called American companies, slowly the take over will happen ;
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FREEDGUY ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Apr 2017 Location: South West Mich Points: 5396 |
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Of the 3 (stooges), your coming up to be the ring leader REALLY fast as far as a nomenclature (MOE)
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FREEDGUY ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Apr 2017 Location: South West Mich Points: 5396 |
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You sir are missing MY post ENTIRELY
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steve(ill) ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: illinois Points: 87948 |
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FORD sell MILLINOS of trucks and FreeGas is worried about 2 clowns in a monkey suit that switch to rice burners ? They deserve it !!
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Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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Dave H ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Central IL Points: 3583 |
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Tbone95 ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 31 Aug 2012 Location: Michigan Points: 12192 |
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That's cuz people at auction need truck parts!
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Darwin W. Kurtz ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 06 Apr 2010 Location: Westphalia, KS Points: 4879 |
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Around here, when it comes to the trucks , Ford and Afford are always closely related it seems. Chevy trucks at a farm auction sell the best, Dodge (and there are lots of Dodge's around here) sells a close second best and Ford's are always on the low end and have been ever since I started auctioning 35 years ago. Chevy's have always sold the best
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Ken(MI) ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Lansing, MI Points: 619 |
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I drove Fords religiously since 1977, cars, light trucks and medium duty trucks and was happy for many years, but noticed that the quality and durability were going south in my opinion. The first Super Duty pickups I owned for the business would go 100,000 miles needing nothing but oil changes and tires, the last ones not even close, and drove like a boat if they were anywhere close to max GVW, which is often. In 2015, after looking closely at what everyone offered I switched to Ram and haven't looked back, I have three presently and couldn't be happier, two of them did require warranty repair, one instance each which went flawlessly, the 6.4 Hemi is a fuel miserly beast of an engine, only complaint is the wife hates the ride of the 3500, due to the fact that it rides like a truck. I used to be against foreign products, but regardless of what you buy, there is foreign influence and it's nothing new, Allis imported and sold Fiat products, many of the Ford's I owned were built in Canada, and the GM plants here are surrounded with foreign suppliers. Chevy was never in the running for me since the seventies when every shop in town that did business with GM needed a Chevy truck to deliver there and they all had one of those "bullet proof" 292 sixes hanging in the back of the shop for a spare, then there was the fact that it took them 30 years to figure out how to make a hard camshaft. They might be good for hauling a boat or a camper, but I'll pass for my needs.
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Steve Bright ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Martinsville, I Points: 2107 |
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You can by a Truck, or you can buy a Nissan. You can be American or be a trader. Ford is and will remain number 1 in truck sales for the foreseeable future.
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Charlie175 ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Shenandoah, VA Points: 6369 |
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I am worried about Chinese imports in the near future. Futon and others are making full size pickups now and will probably be imported into the US at a much lower cost than US models.
Same with Large Agriculture tractors China is making. I think they have made off with so much of our designs and tech that they will eventually flood our markets.
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Charlie
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WF owner ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 May 2013 Location: Bombay NY Points: 5026 |
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X 2 !!! I will only buy from an American company and, since Chrysler/Ram (who names their truck after a sheep ???) were owned by Daimler and now by Fiat (who has a reputation for poor quality), that leaves Ford or GM. Since I have involuntarily invested many taxpayer dollars in GM, I will stick with Ford. As a matter of fact, I just bought a new F-350 in April. I fear that this microchip shortage is going to significantly hurt every automakers bottom line.
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JW in MO ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Feb 2010 Location: South KC Area Points: 2666 |
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Ford work vans are hard to beat and the best selling and has the best resale value. The Nissan excluded, (because I’ve never driven one), Ford has the best seat and ride of all work vans. The Mercedes vans are nice until you have to work on it, super expensive and finding a someone that knows what they’re doing is hard and again expensive especially if he doesn’t. The Dodge vans need pedals to help get up to speed and we traded our diesels before the warranty was up, down time in for repairs was too costly. I got stung by the Ford 6.0 diesel, won’t own another Ford diesel truck but when it comes to work vans, they’ve been number one for a long time and I don’t see that changing soon.
As a side note, if a contractor shows up at my place in a new Mercedes van, I’m probably scrutinizing every penny he’s going to charge me. |
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Tbone95 ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 31 Aug 2012 Location: Michigan Points: 12192 |
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