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Rod5300 
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Posted: 16 Sep 2017 at 6:33pm |
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Hello
I first want to report after advice from some of you fine folks I got my little 14 running pretty good. Problem was a couple things , took carb off adjusted everything again and mad sure it was clean and second, did the same to the tank, but after cleaning the tractor seems to run fine. so again thanks
Now to this problem I installed a new oil gauge from a parts store , got it on and no oil will come thur the clear tube its not kinked and I can see it trying to come thur at back of the oil filter housing.. I know the oil pump is working as there is no pecking etc and the old gauge was so rusted I couldnt see the numbers,,, So again folks I need some advice from the smart allis folks.
I thank you for your help.
Rodd
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Joe(TX)
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Posted: 16 Sep 2017 at 6:46pm |
You can't use an auto parts store gauge on a D14. The filter is a bypass type and not a full flow, so the gauge does not measure the actual engine oil pressure. You need the type of gauge that was originally used. It does not have numbers.
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Posted: 16 Sep 2017 at 8:53pm |
You need a gauge that registers pressures from about 5-30 PSI. Most automotive ones won't go that low... 
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Posted: 16 Sep 2017 at 9:00pm |
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A 0-10 gauge will make you feel better. MACK
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Rod5300
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Posted: 16 Sep 2017 at 9:19pm |
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Thank You All for your insight. I didnt think about the oil filter not being full flow. Where can I get the correct oil pressure gauge Again thanks
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Posted: 16 Sep 2017 at 9:24pm |
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Do you have a "standpipe" in the center of your oil filter base?
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Rod5300
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Posted: 17 Sep 2017 at 5:00am |
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Yes I think that my tractor has the pipe that the filter slides over. Thank You
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Posted: 17 Sep 2017 at 5:10am |
 Rod5300 wrote:
Thank You All for your insight. I didnt think about the oil filter not being full flow. Where can I get the correct oil pressure gauge Again thanks |
Go to any of the vendors on this site. They can fix you up.
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Posted: 17 Sep 2017 at 5:48am |
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What happened to the link that was at the top of the page that sent you to a list of the vendors??
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Posted: 17 Sep 2017 at 5:55am |
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My #1 D-14 runs at a steady 15PSI. I used a small 30PSI gauge screwed into the block/oil pump location where the oil gauge tube starts from. One day I should hookup a new line to the new gauge on the dash,figured I'd do that after it got painted....a lots happend in 15 years..cept #1 getting restored...sigh....
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Posted: 17 Sep 2017 at 6:33am |
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Ain't it a fact Jay!
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Posted: 17 Sep 2017 at 8:10am |
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Posted: 17 Sep 2017 at 11:10am |
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You can remove the filter and see if oil is coming out of the stand pipe to be sure the pump is working. The pump may need primed. the oil pressure is built from the ball in the front of the camshaft and the resistance of the oil going thru the oil filter. The pressure on the gage is the exact pressure on the bearings in this engine.
If no oil is coming out of the stand pipe you can prime it by putting oil down the stand pipe. Using a hose on the stand pipe with the end in a can will cut down on the mess.
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Posted: 17 Sep 2017 at 11:36am |
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The pressure will not be what is at the bearings. The pressure is from what is bled off to the filter.
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Posted: 17 Sep 2017 at 12:25pm |
Joe(TX) wrote:
The pressure will not be what is at the bearings. The pressure is from what is bled off to the filter. |
Both will be the same. The gage measures in between the filter and the front of the camshaft. If a bearing gets loose the pressure drops every where and will be what is on the pressure guage. The filter acts as a relief valve the same as the ball at the front of the camshaft. The actual system pressure will caused be which ever one has the less resistance. If you hook a hose to a house water faucet with 30 pounds pressure and place a gauge on the other end with a ball valve after the pressure gauge and shut it down until the gauge reads 20 pounds the hose will have the full 20 pounds of pressure from one end to the other even though the water is still flowing through the hose.
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Posted: 17 Sep 2017 at 12:31pm |
It's a bypass filter. That means it is bleeding a small amount of oil through a restriction. There is a pressure drop due to this.
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Posted: 17 Sep 2017 at 12:36pm |
Joe(TX) wrote:
It's a bypass filter. That means it is bleeding a small amount of oil through a restriction. There is a pressure drop due to this. |
That's alright you will figure it out later!
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Posted: 17 Sep 2017 at 2:10pm |
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Let me know when you get your engineering degree
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Posted: 17 Sep 2017 at 7:40pm |
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I sell new gauges made in the USA. can call 815-238-4506
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Posted: 17 Sep 2017 at 7:52pm |
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umm Joe, you might do a bit of research there.
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Posted: 17 Sep 2017 at 7:55pm |
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I don't have a engineering degree either, but I know with a gauge teed in a line, the pressure will be the same at both ends as middle. MACK
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Posted: 18 Sep 2017 at 7:18am |
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pull the filter and see if the stand-pipe is still there. I bought a D14 that had the stand-pipe missing because they thought there was something wrong with it for no oil pressure. I just connected the oil pressure guage to the pump fitting and did away with the filter entirely. turned out to be a good tractor.
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