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Posted: 27 Mar 2012 at 3:29pm |
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Is the short armed steering on an Allis C more or less sought after than the long armed steering, or is that simply a factor of when the tractor was manufactured? Any and all help is appreciated.
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MNLonnie
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Posted: 27 Mar 2012 at 3:46pm |
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Most people relate a short arm C to meaning an early model which it is so maybe more sought after. But, there were 4 different arms on the C's, 2 short and 2 long. The first was 2 piece and only used on the first 109 tractors, the second was a 1 piece short arm and used until C18163, so even in short arms there is a rare and common style.
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Posted: 27 Mar 2012 at 3:57pm |
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That Lonnie is always on top of the hard to find facts!! Early C's (first six months) also had hand brakes. Many people have Handbrake c and b AC's and try to convert to foot brakes, which I find maddening. ( notice I avoided the obvious error of referring to the B and "C Allis" phrase that would bring all the regular jokers out of the woodwork.)
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Posted: 27 Mar 2012 at 4:14pm |
I'm in the process of securing the serial number of the tractor. It has electric start and foot brakes. Would this be considered one of the "common" short steering arm tractors?
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Posted: 27 Mar 2012 at 7:11pm |
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That would be the later, more common one. The early one has a nut holding the short arm onto the shaft that goes into the pedestal. Around C5756 they went to foot brakes so if it's original it will probably fall in the C5800-C18000 range for serial #. The short arm on the steering gear box would also suggest it is C18000 or less.
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Posted: 27 Mar 2012 at 7:13pm |
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Lonnie, Dave, I really appreciate the insite, thank you both.
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Posted: 27 Mar 2012 at 7:29pm |
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I converted my C from hand brakes to foot brakes. I also converted the steering to a CA front and added a PTO and Hydraulic pump since it was pretty usless the way it was. I think all the original parts are still in a shed at My moms place.
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Posted: 27 Mar 2012 at 8:39pm |
That brings up a great question, why did Allis change from initial production? What would be the reason to change a part like this? Maybe extra clearance for mid-mounted implements? Or did a supplier discontinue a part to Allis? Or did the most common version (Long arm) handle better? You would think the long arm version, would cost more to produce in iron for the casting, and final part price to Allis. Did complaints in the field lead to a change?
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