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Problem with WD45 diesel, I think?

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    Posted: 31 Aug 2011 at 7:19pm
Went out after work raking hay with the 45 diesel and second pass around the field, the tone of the engine changed to a distintive tick.   I stopped right away, and got off the tractor.   Tick seemed to be coming from the bottom of the intake manifold.   Looking down there, the one brass bolt for the intake heater was missing.   Although I have never had the heater hooked up since I have had it, I still remember it being there the last time I recall.   Limped it back to the house idling it, and started to tear it down.   Took the heater off and no bolt to be found inside.   I was hoping that if it popped lose, the zigzag pattern of the heater element would have trapped it, but after pulling it off that wasn't the case.   Took the hood off, took the valve cover off and started it back up.   All the valves and rocker arms moving like they should and it appeared all the valves were coming back up.
 
I do have another intake manifold here with a good intake heater element and after looking at it, I dont even know if the nut on the outside side came loose if it would make it past the long screw that holds the manifold heater insulators together.   I am going to take the good one's nut off and see if it will even work it's way past that screw.  It very well be that the bolt has always been missing and something else is wrong with the engine and I am jumping to conclusions on it.  
 
I don't know if the bolt was the issue or not, but it still seems as if it is missing on one cylinder but it is hard to tell.  I am going to go back outside now and check the valves.   Might try to pull off the intake manifold and take a peek and see if I can find the bolt that may or may not be missing.    Any other suggestions?   It still runs good, but not right, and I would rather be more on the cautious side on this one, especially with all the money that was put into this engine to rebuild it the last time. 
1955 WD45 diesel 203322 was my dad's tractor, 1966 D15 23530, 1961 HD3 Crawler 1918, 1966 D17 IV 83495, 1937 WC 41255, 1962 D19 6221
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Update, went out and did a quick check on valves and all looked ok.   Took off the intake and exhaust manifold and looked in each valve, didn't see any bolts, any marks from any bolts, or anything else lodged in there.   Started it up with both intake and exhaust off and it seemed to me that the exhaust coming out of #6 cylinder is not as hot as the rest.   could it be that I just have a bad injector or a clogged injector?   Is there any way that I can pull the injector out and clean it myself?   Otherwise, I might pull them out and take them to my local engine guy who had tested them and set them up originally when I had the motor rebuilt.   Any other advice from you guys would be appreciated. 
1955 WD45 diesel 203322 was my dad's tractor, 1966 D15 23530, 1961 HD3 Crawler 1918, 1966 D17 IV 83495, 1937 WC 41255, 1962 D19 6221
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Hate to hear that Chuck. Check all the cells to make sure one of them isnt leaking, the sound they make when leaking sounds just like a heavy tick. Any individal port exhaust leak will sound like a tick but the sound should coma and go with loading.  Before tearing it down I would try to isolate the noise, to many times the cause of a tick will not be obvious and there you sit almost clueless because the engine cannot be started, obviously if the nut went through it the marks will be obvious.  Loosen the injector lines one at a time. You can run the engine with the manifolds off and you might be able to narrow it down by watching and listening to the exhaust.
 
You reposted while I was typing Chuck.


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This isn't a heavy tick, just a sound like one cylinder isn't right.   After work tomorrow night I will take a video of it, and post it and see if it is noticable on the video.   Prior to this it purred like a kitten.   One of the reasons I had it out to mow hay and rake hay, as it is my most dependable tractor.   It did start leaking from the front seal as well over the last week.   Maybe it was jealous of all the work with all the other tractors and just wanted some attention.  
I might even try swapping injectors from one to the other and see if it follows an injector.  
Question, are the injectors from a D15/HD3 engine the same as the 45 diesel?   I know the ones in my HD3 are good and were just went through and don't have more then 5 hours on them.     Just another idea to try and chase it out. 
1955 WD45 diesel 203322 was my dad's tractor, 1966 D15 23530, 1961 HD3 Crawler 1918, 1966 D17 IV 83495, 1937 WC 41255, 1962 D19 6221
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IF YOU HAVE ANY FRIENDS THAT HAVE TO A BOROSCOPE.PULL YOUR INJECTORS OUT AND HAVE A LOOK  INSIDE THE COMBUSTION CHAMBER,THIS WILL TELL YOU A LOT...
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Update, went and got a friends compression tester that has a hookup for going in the injector hole.   No compression in #6.   After looking at things closer I noticed that the intake valve fulling closed is about an 1/8" lower then the others, so I'm pretty sure it dropped a valve seat.   The other night it was pretty dark already and when I bumped it over, I just made sure that each cylinder on tdc there was some clearance on the rocker arms, didn't realize that the one intake valve had LOTS of clearance.   Oh well, I will have to pull the head off when I get back home from camping and take it up to my engine guy and he'll do his magic on it.   I'll have all the injectors reset again as well, as we tested #6 last night and it opened up at 1200 psi and it's supposed to open up at 2000.  
1955 WD45 diesel 203322 was my dad's tractor, 1966 D15 23530, 1961 HD3 Crawler 1918, 1966 D17 IV 83495, 1937 WC 41255, 1962 D19 6221
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You may have gotten really lucky and that is where the nut is from that bolt you lost.  It may be impacted in the seat, and that is why the valve won't close.  Hopefully you get out of this mess with nothing more than a valve, seat, and a few gaskets.
 
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Sorry to hear about your compression issue. My heater on my D17D isn't hooked up either. Sounds like a good excuse for me to remove the heater from mine...
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