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IBWD MIke 
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Posted: 14 May 2019 at 1:30pm |
In my ongoing search for a combine I've found out about a R52 and a R42 for sale locally. These machines are a little newer than I was thinking of buying but if the price is right? The question is; Is an R42-52 just the next model designation after the R40-50? What engine did these things use? Anything in particular to check before buying?
One thing really nice is either of these would be a piece of cake to DRIVE home.
Any and all help is appreciated.
Edited by IBWD MIke - 14 May 2019 at 1:31pm
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DrAllis
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Posted: 14 May 2019 at 1:39pm |
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Early ones were Deutz. Later on could be Cummins. Next generation from R-40/R-50 with the much nicer cab. 1500 to 2,000 hrs is time to replace helical bars, acc roll lugs and maybe cylinder bars over the concave. Feed chains sure need to be looked at. WHAT MODEL YEAR MAKES A DIFFERENCE.....1992 THRU 200??...
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Posted: 14 May 2019 at 2:22pm |
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Thanks Doc. I don't know the model year yet, will find out. This may take a while.
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Posted: 14 May 2019 at 2:27pm |
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1500 to 2,000 separator hrs I should have said.
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Posted: 14 May 2019 at 5:13pm |
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Would be good to know how many chains the lower and upper feeder house use. They may use only two but more likely they use three. In some machines I was thinking the bars ran across all three. I was told they got out of time easier then ones that ran across just two.
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Posted: 14 May 2019 at 8:54pm |
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Early 42 &52 had Duetz, buy a little later one they have Cummins and the belt driven clean grain fan. We eliminated a large portion of our headaches with those two upgrades. Owning a Duetz powered one is as enjoyable as slamming your nuts in a car door. Learn from our misery.
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Posted: 15 May 2019 at 12:21am |
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OUCH!!! LOL Make mine a Cummins please.
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Posted: 15 May 2019 at 8:58am |
The R-52 is a 1993 and the 42 is a 98. I'm pretty interested in the 42, now just need to see if it fits my budget. From what little I've been able to find out about it, sounds like a great machine.
I really wish there was a website like tractordata.com for combines!
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Posted: 15 May 2019 at 10:17am |
 IBWD MIke wrote:
I really wish there was a website like tractordata.com for combines!
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I knew of a site about 10 years ago that was something like tractordata, but for All-Crop and Gleaner combines up through the R series. Had photos, engine specs, production years, separating/cleaning area, and other info. Haven't been able to find it in quite a while, though.
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Posted: 15 May 2019 at 10:44am |
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If true, the R42 will have a longer cleaning shoe than the R52. 1996 was the change for that.
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Posted: 15 May 2019 at 1:45pm |
DrAllis wrote:
If true, the R42 will have a longer cleaning shoe than the R52. 1996 was the change for that. |
That info came from a reliable source. now I just need to look at it in person and hope it sells in my price range. Pretty confident it's in good shape.
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Posted: 15 May 2019 at 6:23pm |
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I would take a Deutz any day over a cum-a-part.
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Posted: 15 May 2019 at 9:30pm |
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I wouldn’t take a Deutz any day over a cum-a-part. |
Yup Cummins is junk. That must be why a bunch of semi’s, countless industrial applications, and every brand of tractor had them in. You can get a Cummins in Agco’s, CIH, Deere, New Holland, Versatile s, and Steiger’s. New Duetz motors have radiators hmmm maybe air cooled isn’t perfect.
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Posted: 15 May 2019 at 10:19pm |
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OUCH ! So you say the air cooled Deutz is not your favorite ! I got along fine with mine . Will say that all engines need daily maintenance . Deutz required maintenance in a different manner . If you find one that had a good owner , don't be afraid of it . Cummins is a good choice also .
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Posted: 16 May 2019 at 8:58am |
victoryallis wrote:
bigal121892 wrote:
I wouldn’t take a Deutz any day over a cum-a-part. |
Yup Cummins is junk. That must be why a bunch of semi’s, countless industrial applications, and every brand of tractor had them in. You can get a Cummins in Agco’s, CIH, Deere, New Holland, Versatile s, and Steiger’s. New Duetz motors have radiators hmmm maybe air cooled isn’t perfect. |
When I read his post I read he "WOULDN'T take a Deutz any day over a cum-a-part".
What makes me not so wild about Deutz is that even though it sounds like you can just farmer fix the engine by swapping out one cylinder in a short amount of time, that is just not the case because it take lapping tools and the know how to get it done right. If not done right you'll being doing it all over in short order.
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Posted: 16 May 2019 at 9:05am |
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There are thousands of those air-cooled Dootz's in Gleaners and AGCO tractors that have never had one bit of problems. But, like anything else, there is a bad one occasionally.
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Posted: 16 May 2019 at 5:43pm |
victoryallis wrote:
bigal121892 wrote:
I wouldn’t take a Deutz any day over a cum-a-part. |
Yup Cummins is junk. That must be why a bunch of semi’s, countless industrial applications, and every brand of tractor had them in. You can get a Cummins in Agco’s, CIH, Deere, New Holland, Versatile s, and Steiger’s. New Duetz motors have radiators hmmm maybe air cooled isn’t perfect. |
Let's see if I understand this, you had a bad experience with a Deutz air cooled, therefore they must all be bad, and anybody who disagrees with you, must be an idiot. However, if someone voices a dislike for an engine you've had good luck with, they must also be an idiot. Got it. Let's see, AGCO no longer uses cummins, CIH no longer uses cummins, and Steiger no longer uses cummins. If they are so great, how did they get the nickname cum-a-part? New Deutz motors do have radiators, as this was the only way they could get pass the emissions BS. Same reason there are no longer new two cycle Detroits/EMD's. Brother was telling me about a customer of his, who installed a new cummins genset. Cummins rep's came out to do a factory startup, engine ran for less than a minute before sending a rod through the block.
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Posted: 16 May 2019 at 8:50pm |
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Yup I had a bad experience, uncle had a bad experience, and a couple neighbors had similar ones. Maybe I’m odd but I’d rather carry a extension cord into the engine compartment of a combine in the cold than try to prop a torpedo heater in it. I slept better with a 903 Cummins than the Duetz.
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Posted: 16 May 2019 at 9:05pm |
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Never had a Gleaner with the Deutz. But, we have a 9150 and a 9170 Deutz Allis tractors. They’ve been really reliable.
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Posted: 17 May 2019 at 7:07am |
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And those two tractors have two different models of Deutz engines !!!
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Posted: 17 May 2019 at 7:23am |
I have a R52 from the first year they were made. It has been here since it was 2 years old. When I got it it had bean dust stuck in between two cylinders, burned oil. I pulled those two cylinders and both were scored, no surprise. I replaced them, and then several years later it developed an oil leak on one of the other cylinders. When I took it off whom ever had assembled it to the crankcase had pinched one of the shims on the sleeve and I am amazed it went 1000 hours before starting to leak.
So yes I have had some engine trouble in over 3000 hrs of use. None of that trouble was caused by the engines fault. Operator yes, assembler yes.
Oh and run with one that has a cummins in it and you will find the Deutz uses less fuel too.
I have Allis Chalmers tractors here I have had to put sleeves and pistons in more than once, from being overheated, from electrolysis, and from just being run until they were worn out. Every engine has its own way of living life...just like the way we all farm differently it works out in the end.
You wont know what the combine is like until you buy it and start using it and become familiar with it. Good luck and if you do buy one, I and many others on this forum will be glad to offer help on how to set and operate it.
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Posted: 17 May 2019 at 8:12am |
bigal121892 wrote:
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[QUOTE=bigal121892] I wouldn’t take a Deutz any day over a cum-a-part. |
Let's see, AGCO no longer uses cummins, CIH no longer uses cummins, and Steiger no longer uses cummins. |
I work for a CIH dealership. CNH got away from Cummins because FIAT owns IVECO who manufactures engines. While they are decent, they are costly. I assume AGCO would be the same.
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Posted: 17 May 2019 at 8:51am |
Amos wrote:
I have a R52 from the first year they were made. It has been here since it was 2 years old. When I got it it had bean dust stuck in between two cylinders, burned oil. I pulled those two cylinders and both were scored, no surprise. I replaced them, and then several years later it developed an oil leak on one of the other cylinders. When I took it off whom ever had assembled it to the crankcase had pinched one of the shims on the sleeve and I am amazed it went 1000 hours before starting to leak.
So yes I have had some engine trouble in over 3000 hrs of use. None of that trouble was caused by the engines fault. Operator yes, assembler yes.
Oh and run with one that has a cummins in it and you will find the Deutz uses less fuel too.
I have Allis Chalmers tractors here I have had to put sleeves and pistons in more than once, from being overheated, from electrolysis, and from just being run until they were worn out. Every engine has its own way of living life...just like the way we all farm differently it works out in the end.
You wont know what the combine is like until you buy it and start using it and become familiar with it. Good luck and if you do buy one, I and many others on this forum will be glad to offer help on how to set and operate it. |
Thanks, Amos. The R-42 has the Cummins in it and that doesn't scare me a bit. I have heard stories about the Deutz engine oil-leak problem. One neighbor had an R-50 that scored a cylinder because of the oil leak. Said it was the most fuel-efficient combine he'd ever owned.
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Posted: 17 May 2019 at 8:53am |
AGCO owns Sisu therefore Sisu engines it is.
Overall I think Deutz is a good engine and built better at the bottom end than a Cummins. I remember the first of only two I've ever had much to do with. It was a 5 cylinder at Ag mechanics school. Second was one the dealership owners used on their own farming operation..... check that, they had two. A 7085 and a 9170. Anyhow for a tractor they are very easy to maintain and can really lug well (9170 that is). I never had dirt gather in the fins of those tractor engines and I did most of the general maintenance on them for the 1000 acres they ran in the 4 years I worked there.
It is a slightly new learning curve to own one. I would not be scared of owning one other than parts costs but just don't fall for the story of the ease of swapping out a cylinder. It's really more involved than just swapping one out IMO.
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Posted: 17 May 2019 at 6:01pm |
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The I think 359 ci
And 584 ci.
Both good
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Posted: 17 May 2019 at 6:06pm |
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Lonn,
That’s true about the 9170.
It’ll pull like a freight train.
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Posted: 17 May 2019 at 6:15pm |
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Lonn,
Was that at Peterson in Blooming Prairie ?
And was that 9170 orange or green ?
We went to an auction in the early 2000s (2003 ? ) at the Peterson farm.
The tractor sold to a guy east of there.
My dad bought a 9170 about 4 years ago. Supposedly it’s the one from Peterson farm.
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Posted: 10 Oct 2019 at 12:06pm |
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Lonn,
Was that at Peterson in Blooming Prairie ?
And was that 9170 orange or green ?
We went to an auction in the early 2000s (2003 ? ) at the Peterson farm.
The tractor sold to a guy east of there.
My dad bought a 9170 about 4 years ago. Supposedly it’s the one from Peterson farm. |
Just saw this again..... yes Peterson Implement in Booming Prairie. It was a super nice tractor and well kept. Was that auction the one with all the collection of Allis tractors? I was at that auction and that would have been one of the non owner brothers (Don) of the Peterson Implement boys. They are all gone now but I learned a lot from them all. They were good people, a small dealership but fun to work for.
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