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KevinON 
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 Topic: What would you do?? 4w305 or 8070?
Posted: 01 May 2012 at 7:18pm |
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I know that I am comparing apples to oranges here, but thinking into the future, I am wondering what to 'upgrade' to. I farm just over 500 acres organically, and am by myself for the most part. I do have some small parcels, but the majority would be 50 acres plus. Would you just go for the gusto and get a 4w305 and a big cultivator, disc, etc, or just go with an 8070 and smaller equipment. Right now the big unit is a 7060. I can always use it for the smaller parcels if necessary. Just thinking that I may as well cover as many acres as possible in a day to make best use of my time. Thanks for the thoughts.
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acd21man
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Posted: 01 May 2012 at 8:03pm |
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id go 8070 just cause it is really usable for more stuff, i would think it would hold more value to in long run. but iv never owned either of them
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Posted: 01 May 2012 at 8:18pm |
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An 8070 is way I would go too. The expense and repairs of a 4W305 would be much more than the 8070.
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Posted: 01 May 2012 at 8:27pm |
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stick with an 8070 for that acreage. I had a 4w220 for a couple of years and the 305 would be the same in lots of extra maintainance. Lots of extra grease zercs on swivel and u joints, and I had to replace oil lines going to back of tractor. The four wheeler was a nice unit, but it seemed that the fwd tractors were more efficient and a lot less upkeep.
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427435
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Posted: 01 May 2012 at 10:29pm |
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Hard to find, but an 8070 FWA would be a good way to go. Even a 8050 with FWA would be nice------then you could use the 7060 as a back up tractor. And you could find some retired guy to operate the extra one during your busy season.
If, however, you found a good deal on a well maintained 4w-305, well------------------
Biggest problem with the 4w-305 is the need to buy a bunch of bigger equipment.
Edited by 427435 - 01 May 2012 at 10:30pm
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darrel in ND
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Posted: 02 May 2012 at 7:20am |
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buy one of each! I am on my first season using an 8070 and am really liking it, but someday I hope to own a 4W305 as well. Darrel
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Jordan(OH)
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Posted: 02 May 2012 at 11:36am |
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We do about the same acreage with a 8030 FWA.
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Posted: 02 May 2012 at 3:42pm |
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their is an 8030 with FWA in an sale in Hanover Ontario on May 12. it as 5300 hrs and looks to be in good shape. thxchuck
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Posted: 02 May 2012 at 6:03pm |
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A few years ago we traded our 8030 fwd in at the Case/Int dealer in Mildmay. Wonder if this 8030 could have been the same one.I added an air seat.
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Posted: 02 May 2012 at 7:45pm |
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I'd hate to think about repair parts for a 4W-305 in a few more years....like none available new or used.
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Posted: 02 May 2012 at 8:25pm |
They built more 8070s than 4W305s . Parts availabity wise 8070 is going to be a lot better.
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Posted: 02 May 2012 at 9:21pm |
I currently farm a little less than 500 acres conventionally. I'm way over powered with an 8050 and an 8070. I assume you're using cover crops and a lot of tillage where I use minimum / notill but how much expanding would it take before you could utilize a 300 hp 4WD? LOL Seriously, I'd say go with the 8070. What crops do you grow?
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Posted: 02 May 2012 at 10:32pm |
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8070or 8050 would be my thought a fwa would be great like everybody else said about 4w305 they or hard to find parts for we have two one we plan on rebuilding and one to use for parts niel
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Posted: 02 May 2012 at 11:04pm |
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Ok, get both of them one can never have too many orange tractors in one place or farm. If only able to justify one or the other i would say the FWA. Potential for more use and less moving drivetrain parts. No matter what you choose, with the way current company hierachy are running things i would be worried about parts availability in years to come. When you go to agcoparts.com you have to look under agco to find AC parts. Last i knew Allis chalmers was there before Agco was even thought of. The Whites have their own section, it's as if they are trying to erase all the identity of us orange guys. Hopefully the aftermarkets pick up on some of the most needed parts to keep late model AC tractors out there earning there keeps!!!
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Posted: 03 May 2012 at 7:13am |
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Thanks guys for all of the input. Looks like I will need to find a nice 8050/70 in the future!
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Posted: 03 May 2012 at 10:06pm |
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Wow everybody voted for the practical solution which would be the 8070. However the 305 would be so cool. I vote for the 305.
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Posted: 04 May 2012 at 6:20pm |
Any one else like me and wondered what a 4W305 was ? Here is a video of one inaction: Gary
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Posted: 04 May 2012 at 9:02pm |
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You may have enough money to buy the 4W305, but will you have enough left over to keep it? (repair bills)? If you want to keep the family farm, buy a good late model 8070 FWA PS.
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Posted: 04 May 2012 at 9:15pm |
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HUH! and Ive been thinking of upgrading to a 160...........
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Posted: 04 May 2012 at 9:24pm |
Get a Steiger. I'm a very loyal Allis man and I bought a Ford FW-30 this winter the Ford was made by Steiger matter of fact I can see the Lime green paint in a couple places under chips in the blue. Most guys I talk to that have articulated tractors wish they never bothered with FWA in the pasts and I have 2 neighbors that went from two wheel drive 4X40 deere's to articulated tractors. I couldn't see spending more for a 4W-305 than a Panther or Cougar Steiger and have a tractor that parts are a issue for. You can own a articulated tractor for less than some of the 8070 FWA that are advertised.
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Posted: 04 May 2012 at 10:12pm |
one of the nicest tractors i got to use was a 8070 FWA with duals it was awesome pulled a 750 grain wagon through wet ground with ease up hill and still had way more power if needed but also i have a friend that runs a couple thousand acres and they have both tractors and i must admit that the 4w305 looks the coolest by far when roaring through the field pulls a pretty big digger with it too don't take long at all to turn a lot off dirt with that thing sitting one is a real treat too its like your in a monster truck or something id buy they one that makes the most sense on the pocket book but if you could sometime you have to drive a 305 it is a unforgettable experience cant explain the feeling wish i could go back in time and think what bragging rights it must have been back in the day to be the farmer with the biggest tractor on the block and show all them 806 ih and 5020 jd up 
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Posted: 04 May 2012 at 10:19pm |
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so parts wise, arnt 4w-305 same as 8550 except cab, sheetmetal, and gear reduction on pto driveline? i think that would expand the parts base....you can underwork a 4w-305 or 8550 and still do a lot more than 8070. and yes they are cheaper too. but yes driveline work can be expensive if not maintained properly
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Posted: 04 May 2012 at 11:16pm |
 CAL(KS) wrote:
so parts wise, arnt 4w-305 same as 8550 except cab, sheetmetal, and gear reduction on pto driveline? i think that would expand the parts base....you can underwork a 4w-305 or 8550 and still do a lot more than 8070. and yes they are cheaper too. but yes driveline work can be expensive if not maintained properly |
The 4w-305 did not have the expensive CV joints in it's drivelines. It should be a lot less expensive to buy parts for than the 8550. And if I remember right, the final drive service parts would be the same as some of the 2WD tractors.
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ILGLEANER
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Posted: 04 May 2012 at 11:31pm |
Give me the 4 w 305. It will drag an 8070 around. And what would you do with an 8070 that you wouldnt with a 305. If its your big tractor on the farm you probably aint going to do chores with the 305 or 8070. 3 point and pto on both. And the 4wd is way nicer on a grain cart, you can see what your dumping in. There both 30 year old tractors. We have used the 305 several days this year.
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Edited by ILGLEANER - 04 May 2012 at 11:40pm
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Posted: 05 May 2012 at 6:02am |
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The reason I would go with an 8070 is because you already have the equipment for it.I agree with IG that the 8070 is not in the pulling class of a bigger 4 wheel articulated tractor.
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Posted: 05 May 2012 at 10:53am |
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There is a couple nice 8070s in my parts, 30k asking price. Last year I was at an auction and a really good 305 went for 11k. I almost started crying. Big tractors can do smaller jobs, smaller tractors cannot do the bigger job. Dont get me wrong, an 8070 fwd is a beautiful tractor, but for the price difference, and for the fact that youll never over work it, I'd chase a 305 down. Trev.
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