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DMiller ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Hermann, Mo Points: 33503 |
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I managed to get the steering oil pump to prime, yesterday took the tube off at the pump and filled the inlet with ATF, was working fine then this morning after almost two hours of pretty stiff use the left brake pedal went to the floor. All external linkages showed good, went to the adjuster and all it does is spin. Time to tear that down and see what's up.
Yesterday as the oil got hot and the fresh fluids moved around I got almost an hour and 1/2 before the steering filters loaded up, had to wait a while for things to cool enough to change them out but all was good as left and fine this AM until this showed out.
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Mactractor ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 20 Jun 2011 Location: New Zealand Points: 652 |
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Might have broken the brake band Dave. All the hydraulic assisted brake tractors could do that. Mine sure has. The factory brake relief valve setting of around 200 psi is way too high. Back that setting down to under 100 psi. Got my HD11EP brake valves near fully bypassing (no pressure). Never broke brake bands after making that adjustment. First off each day when the driveline is cold, I gotta lean all my 200+ pounds of beer belly on the pedals, but when everything is up to operating temp, brakes apply easily
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DMiller ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Hermann, Mo Points: 33503 |
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You were correct Mac, left lower band shoe had the adjuster ear section broken off. Bands looked like almost new too! I am well on the tear down road, have the fuel tank off, the batteries out and the box coming off, already have the butchered cab guard off, I am going to pull the right side as well as I think I found part of the cause and my steering issues, as I had the left clutch cover off and the lines all removed I hit the clutch application port with air, the seal at the piston is completely blown, won't hold a least little bit of anything, unhooked the right side, will hold air for a moment then gone and whistling in the case, so it too is leaking. Got on Minnpars site, had the seals and some other odds and ends I needed here, Chartrand tractor has several later model 7G's and Willie said he has one with good bands(recent replacement prior to ending up in yard) so will retrieve them for me. All should be here by Friday next week giving me time for tear down if I should need anything else. Jacking and blocking starts tomorrow, the removal of the clutches by tuesday, will have to rig a temporary lift eye to the left side clutch as the brake band ear is gone and nothing to lift from. Photos to come.
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dadsdozerhd5b ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 27 Sep 2009 Location: lansdale pa. Points: 535 |
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i did not think you had to pull the clutch just to change the bands or i missed something. like to learn something everyday. good luck.
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HD5B, HD5G, (2) FARMALL A's, CUB. DO IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME, IGNORE THE LAUGHTER. FLANNEL IS ALWAYS IN STYLE.
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DMiller ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Hermann, Mo Points: 33503 |
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DMiller ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Hermann, Mo Points: 33503 |
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Edited by DMiller - 22 Jul 2012 at 3:38pm |
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DMiller ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Hermann, Mo Points: 33503 |
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DMiller ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Hermann, Mo Points: 33503 |
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Edited by DMiller - 22 Jul 2012 at 4:35pm |
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dadsdozerhd5b ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 27 Sep 2009 Location: lansdale pa. Points: 535 |
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might be wise to do the final with the turning clutch out to make it easier to turn the gear when you need to. looks like you are into it pretty heavy. i did not realize that they were wet clutches. did the track master pins come out ok or did you struggle. just got one side of my hd5 apart a week ago and it was about a 2 hour job to drive out the pin. keep up the good work and the picks. i am glad to see misery loves company when working on these old girls.
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HD5B, HD5G, (2) FARMALL A's, CUB. DO IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME, IGNORE THE LAUGHTER. FLANNEL IS ALWAYS IN STYLE.
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DMiller ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Hermann, Mo Points: 33503 |
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I could only wish my master pins were that tight, master links are all boogered up from bad/or wrong pins in them too long so am also going to try to repair those links replacing the pins. Rails are less than 40%, bushings though never turned and remaining pins tight but the tracks are snakey. I can move the disconnected section on the ground almost 10" sideways.
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HD6 Merv ![]() Silver Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 03 Aug 2010 Location: New Zealand Points: 495 |
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Don,t worry your far from alone it these 1 step forward, 3steps backward dances with old crawlers. Not just allis either, caterpillars have them, cyrus Hs creations we, re told have 4 steps backwards
![]() take the centre cover off too, and check that bevel gear if it has any sideways movement; end float; must be tight with preload. If you wanted to be completely sure, just pull the bevelgear side bearing retainer to check the bearing. as this is the thrust side. At least if you check everything out now, eventually you eliminate and repair the problems and must eventually get to a point in the dance where its all steps forward ![]() Who knows she might even make a dollar one day, then it will be all steps to the bank ![]() cheers merv
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tits tyres and tracks
they all cost you money |
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DMiller ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Hermann, Mo Points: 33503 |
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Hi Merv, good hearing from you. I don't know as the old girl has enough left to make any money with but I should get enough use of her to get my money's worth(maybe!). The old machine is full of surprises, keeps me thinking what next? but it has kept on plodding along.
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DMiller ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Hermann, Mo Points: 33503 |
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Willie at Chartrand got me taken care of for brakes, look almost new, I am changing both sides while down. The seals arrived from Minnpar with the gaskets they had, they are in, the rest awaits time, probably Monday at the earliest to get back on it. I am considering weld beef-up of the stationary link pivot on the brakes, my old bands showed wear from the shoes rocking backward against them. Willie sent a better one of these(all he had left) and I may weld up and dress back one of the old ones to match.
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DMiller ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Hermann, Mo Points: 33503 |
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Well the old monster is back together, backed out of the shed this morning and turned twice then no more steering. Put a pressure gauge on the clutch apply line, 110+/-#, not enough. Has anyone dealt with the Hydreco style steering valve? They have reliefs from each side for the steering and I am thinking they are now stuck open from dirt entry. Kind of hard to have pressure then it all disappear at once. Fluid is up to the mark and the filters new, can feel a pulse(while brakes held on) in the 'opposite' brake pedal when apply the clutch to one side and can get a little steering response if tap the opposite brake while attempting a turn.
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