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Posted: 10 Apr 2025 at 7:52am |
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How common was the HD-6EP tractor? I don't recall seeing one myself, but probably did on the grounds all those years ago.
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Ray54
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Posted: 10 Apr 2025 at 11:43am |
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Not that many 0f the industrial dozers on the west coast. At that time contractors just bought a Cat. They took abuse better than any of the others. Not meaning they were that much better, just more service and parts availability. Owner operators could get along fine with them. As well as the Ag models where around in much greater numbers.
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Posted: 10 Apr 2025 at 4:37pm |
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Dealer network and the change of parts warehousing for dealers shrunk and limited both sales and service .
Machines were not the problem but support network became the fly in the ointment .
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Posted: 11 Apr 2025 at 2:14am |
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A friend said years ago that (in Oz) if Allis had the parts supply of Cat that Allis would have been Cat
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Posted: 12 Apr 2025 at 6:34am |
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Around Peoria, Caterpillar is the predominate maker of equipment used in the area. There is quite a bit of Deere also. I never could figure out growing up in Springfield, IL during my young adult years why there were not many A-C dozers, (or equipment for that matter) working the immediate area. Many Caterpillar, and International-Harvester with those two being the main marques. Even the mines I worked at were mostly I-H machines; several being less than 20 miles distant from the A-C crawler/tractor plant.
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Posted: 12 Apr 2025 at 8:11am |
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At one time State Of MO preferred the Allis Machines, right up into the FA Days, mainly for pricing. Major Dealer was Baker Eq. in Mexico MO back in the Day. Mertens Quarry and Stone also enjoyed them for some reason, had a Dead Line in the late 80s of Dozens of the old AC and FA machines.
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Posted: 12 Apr 2025 at 8:51am |
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I have family in Mexico, MO and remember Baker from years gone by. Remember them being an A-C dealer but never had any dealings myself.
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Posted: 12 Apr 2025 at 2:06pm |
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Garrison Dam in N Dakota was built with AC - Sweeney Brothers were the dealer there and also had dealership in MN
Around here there were several contractors that were strictly AC machines but as the parts dried up so did buyers .
I bought my first AC machine in 1972 , and over time had 4 different dealers for parts .
I looked at one machine with serial # X4 - then talked to sales and was told they didn't support machine as only place to get parts was Italy - prototype unit
A few months later I bought a HD5B from a guy near here - he had bought the # X4 machine - never heard if he used it much as he went out of business
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Posted: 12 Apr 2025 at 4:01pm |
IIRC Allis took over the Vender dozer operation in Italy.
The 1970 Oz Power farming annual lists these as "Non-current dozers" -
150H 57 drawbar H P, 1964-65
250H 92 drawbar H P, 1968-69
350H 135 drawbar H P, 1969-70
A friend once looked at "A HD 16 that wasn't quite a HD 16"
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Posted: 13 Apr 2025 at 1:54pm |
Friend found one of these in his locale that is mine for scrap price. Supposedly ran well till allowed to set a couple of years and then upon attempting to start, snapped the frozen hydraulic head in the AMBAC, (American Bosch) injection pump. As we all know, new parts are NLA so the dozer is not serviceable without major mechanical work to replace the injection pump with a Roosa-Master, find another pump, or locate repair parts.
Don't know anything else about it other that what I'm told as have never seen the tractor.
It's small enough it could ride along on a trip up to Chicago for my buddy who is a trucker with a Landoll trailer. Supposedly the blade is chained up and the tractor pushes and pulls easily so would winch onto a trailer. |
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Posted: 13 Apr 2025 at 2:08pm |
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Might as well save it if it has potential or at least has good parts on it. You know all of us on here will encourage you, but it's not our money, ha.
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Posted: 13 Apr 2025 at 6:16pm |
It will be on it's way here next trip up. "Barn Fresh" as I understand it and always kept out of the weather. Owned many years by same party and replaced with a large Case CTL. Used in a cattle farm operation and always dealer maintained. No idea to condition but u/c is much newer than tractor and I'm told it was very reliable till this fuel issue.
I'd never seen an "EP" series tractor this small myself hence the reason for the thread. I even asked and was assured it is a "full" power shift unit. It will be nice to have something just a bit smaller than my 11-B tractor for lighter work, and can pull it with a one ton pickup.
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Posted: 4 hours 41 minutes ago at 9:44am |
Reap what you sow:
A fresh reman and never used hydraulic head fitting this dozer is enroute to me. There is a back story to this I'll not share online but the part is "gifted" to me as a reciprocal action.
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