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Farrell(Utah) 
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 Topic: WC with Farmhand Loader tipping on side
Posted: 23 Mar 2025 at 9:36am |
. Im wondering if any of you had the same experiences with a WC and the old style Farmhand loaders that surrounded the entire tractor: don't remember the number. The fork must have been 8 feet wide . Ours was used for stacking hay and loading green pea vines on a truck for the Del Monte factory. Needless to say, there was a lot of weight and many times you knew the tractor was going to tip on its side so you just held on as it went over. Certainly, OSHA would not approve now but the tip overs were a common thing and fortunately no injuries occurred.
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HudCo
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Posted: 23 Mar 2025 at 10:27am |
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i have a f11 on my wd 45 but it has wide front three weights on the back with loaded tires . they lift to the sky and i am real carfull lifting on the slightest slopes or hills . look on the pulling forum at the loader on my wc that had to have been a beast, but the old boy that i got it from said it would do more work i a half hour than him and his brother could do all day
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jiminnd
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Posted: 23 Mar 2025 at 11:24am |
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I had an F10 farmhand on a wd, had rear wheels moved out as far as possible. Stacked a lot of hay and never tipped over, pretty close a couple times. Also used it all winter to feed but had tire chains on it, also wide front may have helped.
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Farrell(Utah)
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Posted: 23 Mar 2025 at 11:36am |
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. Ours was the F10 now that I see some pictures of that loader. We probably ran the WC with the standard tire width. Anyway, with a fork full of hay or pea vines and a narrow front it could be laid on its side without being really careful. Oh, the good old days.
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Unit3
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Posted: 23 Mar 2025 at 5:26pm |
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We have one on a 77 Oliver. It has one job and that is to lift the auger that slides down into our grain pit. I have ridden in that loader bucket to get high up into a trees to cut down limbs. It has been used place bundles of shingles up on the house roof. I can’t imagine farming without one.
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allischalmerguy
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Posted: 24 Mar 2025 at 10:48pm |
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Hey you guys how about some photos of your tractors with those loaders. I have always been fascinated by them. I have a Farmhand F19 on my WD but it is not one of those type of loaders you are talking about.
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It is great being a disciple of Jesus! 1950 WD, 1957 D17...retired in Iowa,
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Kip-Utah
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Posted: 24 Mar 2025 at 11:21pm |
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Farrell, The 1939 WC “Hi-Crop” 36” rear wheels & single front wheel model that my great-grandpa bought from the Cantwell Lumber Cantwells had been broken in half with a Farmhand loader. Some skilled blacksmith had expertly furnace brazed the cast bell housing back together. The ears on the back of the frame rails had also been welded back on. Although we had another bell housing available when we restored this tractor, we chose to use the expertly rehabbed one. We did use different frame rails. Can you imagine a worse candidate to mount a loader on than this one.?!!!🫢
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JC-WI
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Posted: 25 Mar 2025 at 7:08pm |
Here are a couple old pics of the Farmhand loader . Picture is from about 1950. Seeing that is my oldest sister being held by my father.
Putting up the first sheet of steel of a Harvestore base. See the fender missing? Story to that, Dad went to clean barn and it was evening in the winter, I wanted to go with and he told me that I had to go to bed and go to sleep. He went out and I cried myself to sleep. Later he woke me up and told me it was a good thing I didn't go with him that night because the wheel started spinning in the snow and the tire chain caught the fender that I would have been sitting on, and tore it off the mounts and threw it ahead of the tractor and possibly I would have gotten hurt ,or worst, dead. The fender was never put on again. Think that was about the last year it was used for spreading manure too. It was used a lot for cutting hay back in those years up to about 1965 and then got relegated to being under the Farmhand loader to this day.
Edited by JC-WI - 25 Mar 2025 at 8:49pm
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Posted: 27 Mar 2025 at 11:38am |
JC, the good Lord was sure watching over you even way back then. That must have opened your Dad's eyes! I think I would have had to change pants! Although I've heard of those loaders, I've never seen one. THANKS for the pics! What a monstrosity!
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Nathan (SD)
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Posted: 27 Mar 2025 at 6:57pm |
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Posted: 27 Mar 2025 at 7:22pm |
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That's impressive. I know they were commercially built and work but holy wah ! Reminds me of when my dad built a wooden jib boom for his WD to set the trusses on his new shop. Somewhere there's a slide of that one.
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Posted: 27 Mar 2025 at 10:32pm |
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Farmhand built a lot of these, they were making improvements all the time. The one on my WD had long mounts from the back axle all the way to the front of the frame rails. Also built stronger on the back uprights. Guessing but think mine was about 1960s era. Don't know for sure if they were built there but company was in Hopkins Minn for a long time. Was an F10
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allischalmerguy
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Posted: 28 Mar 2025 at 12:19am |
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Thanks for the photos guys! That is neat. I grew up on a farm in SE Iowa. We didn't have anyone around that I knew of that had loaders like this. They are really neat! I wonder how much weight they could lift? The hydraulic pump must of been on the tractor PTO. The first loader my Dad had on the farm was a 8N ford with a trip bucket loader. We cleaned out the diary cow barns with it. Then Dad traded that tractor for a 530 Case LP with a hydrualic bucket loader on it. We thought that was great! And it was. I once saw a photo of a tractor with one of the farmhand F10 loaders on it and the farmer was using it to paint his barn. That would be a great tool to have.
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It is great being a disciple of Jesus! 1950 WD, 1957 D17...retired in Iowa,
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Michagman
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Posted: 28 Mar 2025 at 10:53am |
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I have never seen a loader like this before, so I've learned something new today. To add to allischalmerguy's question, how high do they raise? How much stroke do the cylinders have, can they go so far up that the bucket would be directly over the tractor?
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HudCo
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Posted: 28 Mar 2025 at 11:05am |
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used to be alot of those around they got mounted on old 2 ton trucks and about anything that had a engine and forward and reverse alot of old school buses got used around here and they got used for hauling hay also of coarse the tops were cut off
Edited by HudCo - 28 Mar 2025 at 11:08am
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Posted: 28 Mar 2025 at 11:14am |
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Used to talk about 25 feet, a lot of local carpenters used them for scaffolding. Not sure how much they would lift but all a WD could handle, and yes, they had a pto pump. In later years we also had a dual on an M IH, would start stacks with that and finish with the F10, make a bigger stack. Mine was new enough it had a hyd pushoff on the hay basket.
Edited by jiminnd - Yesterday at 10:50am
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wjohn
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Posted: 28 Mar 2025 at 5:58pm |
I see more of the Farmhand loaders from the Dakotas, Nebraska, Kansas, etc. on west than I ever did in Indiana, Illinois, etc. so they either weren't used as much there or they mostly got scrapped. I think they were popular for building hay stacks in places where the climate allowed it.
I have an F11 on my D19 and the thought of one on a WD or WD-45 seems scary.
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Farrell(Utah)
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Posted: 28 Mar 2025 at 6:13pm |
. The loader on the WC was identical to the one in Nathan's picture. They were common in southern Idaho for stacking hay and other uses. After several years, we had a hydraulic push off mechanism installed so the hay could be pushed off the fork rather than dumped. It allowed the stacks to be higher and loading trucks and wagons easier,
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Posted: 18 hours 44 minutes ago at 11:28pm |
I like the 'bridgework' Farmhand loader over the open top loaders, these had lot more sway in them for not having the extra bracing.
I do have an old H farmall that has the open top. It has a 9 or 10' snow bucket on it. Pushing and dumping real wet snow, you need weights on the back end to hold it down for traction and lifting.
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