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    Posted: 10 May 2011 at 3:24pm
I was wondering if a Gooseneck trailer thats 28' long an is a tandum axle dually, and is rated for 25,000# GVW would be able to handle a tractor that weighs around 18,000#'s
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Hi depends on what the trailer weighs. My gooseneck is good for 22,500 and weighs 6.800 so it can handle 15,700. just depends how often and how far you want to go.
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Im looking at a one time haul, the haul would be 200 miles at the longest, i want to say the trailer weighs around 6,000 something also.

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then you might be alright depending on your dot stops
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Just also keep in mind that you might have a truck that can PULL it, but more importantly, and I can't stress that enough, do you have a truck that can STOP it. People these days don't get what weight can do. I've had more then one idiot pull out infront of me where I had to hit the brakes harder then I want to. Remember just because you can pull it, doesn't always mean you should.

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The truck that we have weighs in at a little over 11000#'s, and our trailer also has very good brakes. Steve
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   Your good to go on the trailer. You say the truck weighs over 11,000, what do you have it registered for ? You will be adding weight to the truck too.
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The truck has a farm license on it. It is a  2002 Chevy Duramax 4 door long box, with extra heavy duty springs and also has custom bumpers and a headach rack and tool box, that is why it is so heavy. Steve
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Any trailer 28 feet long rated for 25K, will probably weigh more than 6K.  Just run down to the local coop and weigh it empty, then you will know what it can haul, getting the spits right is also important.  The farm tags will only get you so far, but check with the state DOT web page to be sure.  You will have no problem with the rig or trailer, the only issue is will it be legal?
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If the truck weighs 11k then it must be a 3500 at the very least. If it is a 3500 then with that trailer and tractor on it you will be exceeding your axle weights on the truck for sure. On a 25000lb GVW trailer your probably looking at about a 18000lb payload capacity so it will be close on the trailer to. Just a reminder DOT doesn't give second chances. I have had a few run ins with them before and had them break my b@!!s because I was short a fire extinguisher. What DOT needs to start watching are those snowbirds that trade in their Buicks for a 3/4t truck and a 40' camper and have no clue what they are doing.
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  Hello Allis Restorer    I would check the tire ratings "max load'  cops tend to do that also.
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Do it  on a Sunday morning and you will be fine.
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  In PA,  if your trailer is registered for over 10,000 pounds, it must be treated in the same manner as a large tractor trailer.  The licensed weight mus be carried by the truck, and must be equal or more than your total gross combination weight. (GCW)  This means that  yor GCW would have to be 36000.  I doubt the state would issue a license for this amount as I am sure the mfgs GCW on this truck is less than 36000.  If you could get a license for this amount, you need a CDL as you are over 26000, and in Pa you would have to register for fuel tax.  The big fines for overweight is PA is not axles, but gross weight.  In this case, if you are registered at 11000 and weighed 36000, you face an overweight fine for 20000.  Before you leave, be sure to have your attorney's telephone number.
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My Friend who owns the truck is a truck driver so he has a CDL, He will be the one hauling it. He hauls a Double Bunk Skidder around all the time with the pickup and that weighs much more than the tractor does, its just that he uses an other guys trailer for that.
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Sure makes me glad I don't live up there in your part of the world. Down here in Oklahoma, if you're running farm tags, you can get away with pretty much anything, as the farmers aren't real high on DOT's food chain. In fact, I was told personally by a DOT officer that if you're within 200 miles of your home, you don't need a CDL, and if you put NOT FOR HIRE on your vehicle, they won't even bother stopping you. I've made several trips hauling a D6 Cat on a lowboy trailer and a Class 8 tractor, driven right past them, and when they see that not for hire on that tractor, they've never even stopped me. Morton, you're completely right, on the point of being able to stop. I've got over 35 years' experience in trucking, have driven in all of the contiguous 48 states and over a good portion of Canada, and the thing that scares me the most is probably seeing a kid of maybe 17, driving down the road in a 1-ton pickup, pulling a big fifth-wheel trailer, and a boat behind that. Folks, that's a set of DOUBLES!!! makes me wonder what prople are thinking.
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here in ky you must have a dually with any trailer over 16' in lenght and with the budget problems everyone is having they are writing tickets left and right,  where a year ago they basicly did not bother anything with a farm tag,
 
i found this out the hard way pulling a 7700 ford with cab, up from tennesee, with my 2007 3500 single wheel,  ky paid there light bill that month on me. not to mention i had plenty of power but needed better brakes to stop it with,  (i want do that again)
 
i traded for a 4020 john deere diesel the other day, and had it transported 50 miles for $100.00, on a rollback,  if you can get it pulled at a reasonable rate i would look at saving the wear and tear on the truck, and it would be insured during the trip.
 
i plan to buy me a good old used day cab road tractor from a freight company as a tractor totter before i make any other long trips,
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