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My 45 will not keep plww from falling

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    Posted: 25 Apr 2011 at 4:44pm
Was plowing yesterday with the 3-16  on my 45, everything worked great. I went to another field, and couldn't keep the plow from going down. The only way I could keep it up was to have the lever all the way up, but the hydraulic was running.  What adjustments do I need to do? Thank you.
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Normal....if the pump is set for "Traction-Booster" control you do not have a "hold" position and have to leave the lever up.
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   DrAllis, I have to disagree. It should hold the plow up at the detent position.
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There is no "detent" position when set for TractionBooster control....yes, you can pull the lever maybe to the halfway point, but there is no "hold" position.
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   My 45 has a detent when set for traction booster ?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote DrAllis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Apr 2011 at 5:49pm
Youe better read the decal on the the side of your battery box again. I could be wrong ( it's been 40 years since I changed one) but I don't think so.
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This might help.
 
 
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my guess your first field did not require tb the second was lighter soil and the plow wanted to deep and tb was not set compensate for the require draft  I agree with Dr allis
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I just want to state the obvious, have you checked the fluid level ?
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On page 30, step #4 should read ..."set hand lever at the BOTTOM of quadrant"........this has been a misprint for 60 plus years.
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Listen to DrAllis, he is telling it like it is.




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also...if you are using a one way cyl, check the vent, the oil may be slipping by inside the cly... is so, the oil will be coming out the vent.
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You only THINK you have a detent when set for TB...NO WAY!Absolutely no hold positon in traction booster setting and travel requires lever all the way up!The Dr is correct.
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Doesn't the beaming screw on the plow regulate the depth, and not the traction booster sysyem?

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Even when my lever is all the way up (i.e. traveling down the road), the lift arms have a tendency to drop down after a minute or so.  I then have to slow down, lower plow, and then raise it all the way back up.  On long trips, I just use cylinder stops on the lift rams to keep the arms from dropping. 
 
Of course the tractor is 58 years old and I'm not aware of the pump ever being worked on so maybe there is a seal or o-ring that needs to be replaced.
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Brian Iowa-yes,Brian Illinois you are right about settling down with time.A quick drop of the lever about 1/2 way down and back up seemed to catch mine back up.
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Its realy not all as complicated as some make of it. The Dr is correct in that when set for drawbar control you dont have a hold position in the technical sense. Why? Because the hold valve is connected to the lift lowering section of the pump ONLY.  The drawbar control or traction booster section as it is reffered to in the manuals is run by the last plunger on the pump and it is not internaly plumbed to the hold valve, thus it works independantly of it. However, by fiddleing with the lift lower lever a person can achieive some semblance of "hold". What is happening is you are balancing the volume of traction booster section pumping against the hold valve dumping. Have you noticed that your hitches raise a lot faster in the drawbar control mode than when in hold?? Why? because you have another pump section working when so set. The detent is a seperate deal not linked hydraulicaly to the pump or valve. It's just a mechanical stopping point for the lever, that's it. Look at two disks you lock together or seperate with crew "B" The outside disk moves with the lift lower lever. the inside one is the detent, that simple. So it is possibe to have a detent in the lift lower lever while set for drawbar control but dont confuse that with a hold, its nothing of the sort. Now If the linkage is set just so-so, and the detent is at the balance point I spoke of earlier it might kind of hold there but I wouldnt want to make my living getting them so set, LOL. Your drawbar control cannot work correctly with the detent working period, it just isnt possible.

Hope this has helped and not added to the confusion. Its a whole lot eaier to show someone how the external adjustents affect the action of the hitch than to write them out.
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Dr. Allis is right, there is no detent.
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