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GBACBFan 
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Posted: 15 Apr 2011 at 11:18pm |
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I was looking at some early B pics/ brochures, ant it appears there were factory original steel wheel B's with a torque tube with a starter hole, but no starter. They also had the tool box with no provision for a battery. Maybe I need to hope our resident B expert Bill Long chimes in, But it surprised me that these tractors had a provision for a starter, but no starter. Any thoughts?
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Chris(WA)
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Posted: 16 Apr 2011 at 4:55am |
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I wonder if you were looking at a war time B that had the starter and rubber deleted for the war effort? I have heard of B torque tubes without a starter hole.
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Posted: 16 Apr 2011 at 8:35am |
 Chris(WA) wrote:
I wonder if you were looking at a war time B that had the starter and rubber deleted for the war effort? I have heard of B torque tubes without a starter hole. |
I have a 39' without the starter hole. Bought a tube with a starter hole but have never made the switch.
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Bill Long
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Posted: 16 Apr 2011 at 9:45am |
First let me congratulate your Green Bay Packers on an outstanding Super Bowl Run. They are a super team and deserve a lot of credit considering all the injuries and where they had to come from to win.
To my knowledge the original B tractor did not have starters or lights on them. Later say about 1940 it was an option. The original B tractors came through with rubber tires with the steel wheels being an option. However, during WWII the rubber tires and the "electrics" were not provided. The troque tube starter opening was plugged but the blocks had mounting holes for generator. The cut out on the tool box for the battery was filled in with additional tin. Since these items War Time Tractors were ready for electric when the war was over and the "electric" items became avialable they were added so you don't see too many wartime B's left.
Also, around 1942 foot brakes became standard.
I have to run now but I'll get back to this question when I have more time to give it closer attention.
Again, congratulations to Green Bay. They really exposed the weakness of the Steelers.
Good Luck!
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wfmurray
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Posted: 16 Apr 2011 at 10:06am |
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My dad bought a 1941 WC it had a starter hole . it was on steel and no electricy, just a mag and a crank.
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MilesGray (CO/KS)
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Posted: 16 Apr 2011 at 12:48pm |
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My Granddad's 38B, that my Mom says he bought new, has a starter hole and but is a crank start. Maybe, someone on another post said, he took it apart and added a different torque tube. It has no other electric options, and it runs Great, but can be a little obstinant when it hasn't been started for a while... like it thinks it's unloved or something! Lol. It is my Favorite B... For obvious reasons...
Edited by MilesGray (CO/KS) - 16 Apr 2011 at 12:49pm
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morton(pa)
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Posted: 17 Apr 2011 at 11:57pm |
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Bill Long hit the nail on the head. Couldn't have said it better myself. There used to be pictures of someones War B on the tractorpics.com site, that showed the starter delete plate, the additional sheet metal piece near the battery, and of course the steel wheels and fenders. I'm pretty sure it was a forum members tractor. Anyone have pics?
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Ken in Texas
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Posted: 18 Apr 2011 at 9:31am |
In refering to dealers parts books and looking at tool boxes for Bs and Cs there is a refrence to the change in tool box shrouds at B58401 and up and C15714 and up where the back end of the shroud is bobed off for the battery box. This would be in mid 42 production for both the B and the C. Seems like the change should have been a little earlier than that for electric start being available. Maybe this was the time electric start was standard and not just a option.
In the Torque Tube Section the only part numbers available is for the one with the starter hole. To find out when the Torque Tube change was made would probably be found in a earlier pre war parts book that I don't have. I suspect electric start was a option as early as 1940.
In the Flywheel section it shows two part numbers for those with ring gears and those without. No tractor numbers are shown for when the change was made but those without a ring gear were shown to be used in some early Cs.
The governor control rod on a B was changed at B31009 (Late 39) and again at B43219 (Around Mid 1940) with a note that the last change was for Bs (and would fit Cs) with electric start. That last change would be in mid 1940 for the B and all Cs which wern't being built yet. The change had to be made for when the throttle quadrant was moved up on the stearing post so the rod would clear the battery box. I think this confirms that Bs first got electric start in 1940. Weather it was standard or a option is still up for debate.
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Posted: 18 Apr 2011 at 9:37am |
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I thought it odd that the 100 or so Bs bought by the war department in 41 or 42 had starter delete plates in the torque tubes. The enlisted men had to hand crank em or park em on a hill. lol
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Posted: 18 Apr 2011 at 9:41am |
morton(pa) wrote:
Bill Long hit the nail on the head. Couldn't have said it better myself. There used to be pictures of someones War B on the tractorpics.com site, that showed the starter delete plate, the additional sheet metal piece near the battery, and of course the steel wheels and fenders. I'm pretty sure it was a forum members tractor. Anyone have pics? |
That was Brad Hopwood's B on tractorpics you are referring to. I saved a copy of all the B pictures off tractorpics before it went away.
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