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AC WD45 
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Posted: 18 Mar 2011 at 9:21pm |
I got the tire off the rim today. Got a nasty hole around the valve stem. Can a hole this bad be repaired? I hope I never have to get another tire off like this without an extra set of hands.
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48AC/WD
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Posted: 18 Mar 2011 at 9:35pm |
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Says you cant view the page or sumthin. and yes, you oughtta be able to cut out the bad spot and find a good welder to put a patch in it, easier if you have a trashed rim and did a piece for piece chop and swap. Just my .02$
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Dennis (WI)
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Posted: 18 Mar 2011 at 9:50pm |
I was able to repair my snow plow tractor wheel, by cutting the bad spot out , weld the cut out closed with a same thickness metal and then drilled a new valve stem hole 180 degrees from the original...2 coats of paint you got to look for the patch...ah but the plasma cutter works sweet on these types of repairs as the Mig welder also. I have also used an abrasive wheel cutter also.
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BrianC,Ont
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Posted: 18 Mar 2011 at 9:55pm |
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Just get a washer that has the right size hole for the valve stem and weld it in. The washer is usually big enough so you can grind the hole big enough to get to good steel.
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Posted: 18 Mar 2011 at 10:12pm |
Brian, I think you may be underestimating my "hole"
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Posted: 18 Mar 2011 at 10:15pm |
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Ya, Im thinking by the time you buy enough washers to fix that one you could buy a new rin cheaper.
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Dennis (WI)
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Posted: 18 Mar 2011 at 10:21pm |
Yikes!...That looks a bit more rusted than I had envisioned...If the bead area is rusted...like it looks...you might want to find a new wheel/different wheel.
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Posted: 18 Mar 2011 at 10:27pm |
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No, the bead is solid, that bend is my sledge hammer's fault, I broke the bead buster..twice and resorted to a dull 3" chisel and sledge. I also have another bad bend that is a result of me breaking the bead breaker. I figure a torch ought to fix that.
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Dipstick In
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Posted: 18 Mar 2011 at 10:29pm |
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Even with low air pressure I would think that could be one dangerous mother to be around. Don't think I would want to be close. It's so easy to mistake what air pressure can do when it gets loose. Maybe i'm scary from being around semi wheels and the old split rims, but I have my head yet, and all of my fingers too.
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R Aiken
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Posted: 18 Mar 2011 at 10:37pm |
Here is one I repaired on my D14.
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Posted: 18 Mar 2011 at 11:01pm |
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Like Dipstick says, I would not put that rim back on a tractor. Should be able to find a good used one somewhere.
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Posted: 19 Mar 2011 at 3:23am |
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That can be repaired and safely too. By the time I chiseled all the rust off one of mine on a D17, the hole was probably 2/3 the size of that one. My repair patch came from another wheel. Welded in with a mig machine, you have to know where to look to find the patches on both of my rear wheels. I then had both wheels sand blasted inside and out and painted inside and out. Shouldn't ever happen again.
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Posted: 19 Mar 2011 at 5:51am |
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I've thrown out better rims than that one!! I would NEVER trust it. Just my $0.02
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Posted: 19 Mar 2011 at 6:18am |
Looks like a hung jury, split 50-50...
You can repair it, costs you time
You can replace it, cost you money
so the bottom line..
what do you have more of, time or money ?
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Posted: 19 Mar 2011 at 6:37am |
Aint No Big Deal,
Click on the picture to advance to the next picture.
I didn't have my camera with me after I welded it in. This was a few years back. I used the tractor yesterday. On plow wheel was in just as bad of shape in th epictures before these if you want to back up.
I have done several yeas in the past. Doner wheels are usually free from someone that just wants to get rid of them.
Edited by Dick L - 19 Mar 2011 at 6:44am
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Posted: 19 Mar 2011 at 9:00am |
I have repaired rust spots around the valve stems. I didn't have doner rims and had to form the valve stem area from plate steel then weld it in. I have also repaired other areas with plate steel. The rim you have is worse than ones I have repaired, but I don't see any reason you can't fix it. I think it is more dependent on time you have to spend.
I have had the rims I repaired hot dip galvanized. On the AC tractors some were galvanized and some were painted. Galvanized rims don't rust from the inside as quick, so I just had them dipped. It costs about 100 bucks to galvanize them if I recall correctly. You can't tell where the repaired spots are. I once moved the valve stem hole 180 degrees on a rim, and you would never know if I didn't tell you.
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Posted: 19 Mar 2011 at 9:05am |
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If you get a doner it wouldn't be hard to do.Cut,fit,weld.If you have to fabricate it that's a different story.Too many bends and the curve....for me at least.
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Posted: 19 Mar 2011 at 4:18pm |
A friend of mine cut out the bad section and welded in a good section out of another bad wheel. Turned out OK. I like the idea of replacing one half of the wheel. Most times, the hole side is the side that's rusted and "sometimes" the other side is still fairly solid.
I've got a several bad rims; I think I'll try making a couple of good ones out of them.
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Posted: 19 Mar 2011 at 5:03pm |
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I have a donor rim piece laying in the back. I got another one that still has a bad tire on too. If you're interested, I could cut a piece out of one big enough and ship it to you. I think I have one good rim here too. I have shipped just rims before. Pricey but works. Or maybe you can find one closer to you.
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Posted: 19 Mar 2011 at 5:08pm |
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almost easier to buy a new rim, in about 10 years or so it will start to rust threw the paint, you might as well get the new shinny ones!
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Posted: 19 Mar 2011 at 7:22pm |
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I guess like Jay says, got more money or time? If you're really good with a torch, you can cut a section out of the donor wheel. The way I cut mine was with a metal cutoff blade in my Skill saw. I sliced out the entire section including the edge of the bead. There really is no reason you can't repair your wheel aside from lack of a few tools/equipment. Get it sand blasted after the repair is done so rust doesn't take out the tube.
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