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IA, DOT Laws? any body concerned?

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Stan, Back a few years ago I purchased a 16' car hauler to haul my small AC's around to shows and from my house to the farm. When I went to the County Clerks office for licenses I was given a brochure with the rules of transportation for semi trailers. The one rule here in Tennessee that catches up with a lot of people like me is that when hauling a wheeled vehicle chains must me used (no straps). Also the brochure stated that the chains be on all four corners of the hauled vehicle and the chains must be crossed. Also the DOT here looks for brake-a-way units. Joe (TN)
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 In January, I spent along time on the phone with getting tonnage on my 2005 Dodge 1 ton in WA. STATE. I carry 32,000 GVW on the thing. (I know I am opening a can of worms here, I have been doing this since 2005) I told them I am running private and not commercial and hauling my own tractor. I pay $400 a year for tabs. I do carry a log book, have a med card, and have class A CDL  because I will run for fill in for my friend who runs tankers and end dumps. I had the gal from Olympia run me though  the web site with her and I explained what I was all doing on hauling my tractors. She said if I have any problems, she gave me her direct line. I am legal on the tires, axles, fifth wheel plate etc etc. I know what the GVW is on my truck is lower,  and I know alot of the DODGE or Ford or GMC HOT SHOT  trucks can run up to 40,000 in a one ton. I do not know how they do it, but they do. I have not had a problem going by the scales and am just waiting till the summer when I go down south with my tractors on the trailer. When I haul our 31 ft 5th wheel I am a total of 19,000 lbs and I dont have DOT number for that because it is not required.  (Recreation is the only reason why ? So is my tractors ) I have thought about getting a Peterbilt with a big sleeper to do some traveling with the RV and the tractor, but I dont want to run a Pete  for s short 10 run to pick up or drop off a tractor at a friends house.
I really like my Dodge and its paid  for one and bought it new. Have PACBRAKE and set up for towing.
What do I have to do if I run my truck and trailer to Minn.with my 21 on back to a national show. I will be under 26,000 lbs do I go past the scales.
 
BIG interesting subject and I think it will continue to get worse. 
 
Sorry for rambling and a can of worms.
 
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"Around here things are good .. something has to be pretty bad for SP to get   involved (locally "  Maybe not in your area, but I have been stopped to many times already just minding my own business running under farm tags.
 
 " I have had a commercial license since 1975, I have to take specialized tests, I had to pass a rigorous road test and had to show proficiency with the machine plus do minor repairs to get it out of the line of fire when it broke, needs to be the same for these people." Thats a half a joke there, A few years back I helped a company that shipped a load of peat granulers every evening, You wouldn't believe the number of truckers that came in there that couldn't back a rig up to save their soul...Some couldn't even speak our language and others well, lets say I wouldn't trust them with my pickup and there they were behind a steering wheel of 40 tons. All dot certified...Makes me really wonder.
  As for all the laws endorsements etc, most of that is nothing more than a racket to make money in some form or another...such as fines when they stop you and you don't have that specific listed on record.Theres stupid all around the world and in every profession ... And I usually say to myself, don't make it any tougher on everybody else, rather try and make it easier on yourself.  That falls into that catagory of "why me, why aren't they required to do the same too?"  In this case of dot, we the people gave /allowed them to push/pass to much crap/rules/regs/laws  on our former freedoms... and didn't take a stand and tell them to back off -cease and decease.
  Shoot man, I don't remember roads piled high with accidents back in the sixties because we didn't have big extensive dot laws to protect the public ..........
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I was told by the IA DOT that if the sign says something like "All trucks over 6000 lbs must weigh", you would want to be pulling in. If they don't care about you, you'll just get waved on through. If they have to chase you down, you are much more likely to be gone over with a fine tooth comb. If they want to, they can write a ticket for failure to obey a traffic control device. (scale open sign)
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Joe,
That's interesting because I read the federal DOT rules in securing loads and they said that chains, cables and straps were allowed as long as they met the formula for working load weight and that the straps had to be in good condition.  I've got 6 new straps which have a working load limit of 3333 lbs each.  But as I'm well aware of the rules are not exactly clear and the reg you stated could have been burried somewhere in another reg.   Confusing for sure. 
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Originally posted by JC(WI) JC(WI) wrote:

"Around here things are good .. something has to be pretty bad for SP to get   involved (locally "  Maybe not in your area, but I have been stopped to many times already just minding my own business running under farm tags.
 
 " I have had a commercial license since 1975, I have to take specialized tests, I had to pass a rigorous road test and had to show proficiency with the machine plus do minor repairs to get it out of the line of fire when it broke, needs to be the same for these people." Thats a half a joke there, A few years back I helped a company that shipped a load of peat granulers every evening, You wouldn't believe the number of truckers that came in there that couldn't back a rig up to save their soul...Some couldn't even speak our language and others well, lets say I wouldn't trust them with my pickup and there they were behind a steering wheel of 40 tons. All dot certified...Makes me really wonder.
  As for all the laws endorsements etc, most of that is nothing more than a racket to make money in some form or another...such as fines when they stop you and you don't have that specific listed on record.Theres stupid all around the world and in every profession ... And I usually say to myself, don't make it any tougher on everybody else, rather try and make it easier on yourself.  That falls into that catagory of "why me, why aren't they required to do the same too?"  In this case of dot, we the people gave /allowed them to push/pass to much crap/rules/regs/laws  on our former freedoms... and didn't take a stand and tell them to back off -cease and decease.
  Shoot man, I don't remember roads piled high with accidents back in the sixties because we didn't have big extensive dot laws to protect the public ..........
JC  .. like i said depends where u r ....
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Where I work now we have truck drivers come to deliver that cannot back a rig either, I got used to backing tri-axle equipment floats into a 12 wide garage blind side, damn things would shift the axle it was pivoting on so you had to be careful and precise.  I had to qualify as a mechanic to drive the trucks I worked on, had to be able to park, maneuver, highway or in-city operate; we had to pickup the heavy equipment so tie down became a second nature.  Anymore if the drivers cannot handle the task my boss sends me down to either direct them or to back the rig into the buildings myself, I have over 30 years of heavy truck driving and 25 mechanic on all manor of machines.

I keep my full endorsements so I can be asked for the damn thing and have it to give regardless the load I am dragging, have more than once subbed for a friend when he got sick and couldn't drive to deliver his paycheck materials, have been offered a  driving job hauling gas but really want no part of that.
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At one time I did service work for an electrical contractor at ware house complex. It was not very hard to tell the long haul drivers from the short haul/local delivery drivers.

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You get a DOT number, you're then in the computer and "They gotcha".  May be easy to get now and no problems, but wait a while and they will make life miserable for you eventually.
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Strapps are legal or there are sure a lot of loads of lumber, shingles, and other such flat stuf on the roads that do not meet regs.
 You might find the type of strap and how it is tensioned might come into question, just like using a come along as a binder will not meet the rules.
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