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morton(pa) 
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Posted: 11 Feb 2011 at 5:59pm |
Ok, Ok, I'm trying not to step on any toes here, but I was wondering....
Which one is dyed? On Road Diesel, or Off Road Diesel?
Are Keroscene and Diesel the exact same thing, except for taxes and dyes?
Here's why I'm asking:
The other day I took a trip to the gas station on my usual errands to fill up the kero container for our garage heater for my dad. I was not used to stopping at this station, but since it was on my way to somewhere else, I did. When I filled up at the Kero pump, it was dyed red, which I had never noticed before, and didn't think was right, but it still smelled like kero and came out of the kero pump, and was for a multi-fuel heater, so I didn't think much of it.
Later in the week, I went to our usual gas station to fill up the kero and it was not dyed. I thought this was always how it was supposed to be, because of the fact that kero is not to be used for any on-road purposes. I am now starting to wonder if the first gas station with the dyed kero is trying to beat the system somehow and cheat people out of money by charging more for kero, when it really is on-road diesel. I know the taxes are different. Kero is also A LOT more expensive around here the diesel. Someone help me out.
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Denis in MI
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Posted: 11 Feb 2011 at 6:00pm |
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off road diesel should be dyed red but I thought kerosene should be clear at least it always has been when I have bought it
Edited by Denis in MI - 11 Feb 2011 at 6:01pm
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Posted: 11 Feb 2011 at 6:02pm |
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Dyed fuel is Off road.
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morton(pa)
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Posted: 11 Feb 2011 at 6:03pm |
That being known,
Are the taxes on Off road diesel and Kerosene the same? Are they the same product except for the dye? Because I obviously got off-road diesel out of a kerosene pump...
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Posted: 11 Feb 2011 at 6:04pm |
May be wrong, but kero and #1 diesel is the same. Here you can get dyed or un-dyed kero. But I don't think kero has the lubracation it that #1 has.
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Posted: 11 Feb 2011 at 6:09pm |
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I just called the guy I buy fuel from, he said the kero and #1 are the same. His kero is not dyed only off-road #2 is dyed from him. The guy I used to buy fuel from had dyed kero, it was red. But my dad just bought some kero that was dyed green. I don't know, it is all just a ripe-off.
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Posted: 11 Feb 2011 at 6:19pm |
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Could be that they used an old diesel tank for kerosene for winter and it had fuel with dye in it that could not be pumped out. Is the gasoline bought for farm use non taxed like off road diesel?
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Posted: 11 Feb 2011 at 6:27pm |
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K1 is suposed to be clear. it has no color and burns very clean this is what you want for a heater. #1 diesel is like K1 with lubercants added to it. red dyed fuel is for offroad use only it has no road tax on it. K1 also has no road tax. Green dye is suposed to be for 100/130 avation fuel. I don't know why it would be in diesel.
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morton(pa)
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Posted: 11 Feb 2011 at 6:44pm |
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Ok. That answers my questions then. Thanks. The dyed kero was being used for a home shop/garage rediheater.
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Posted: 11 Feb 2011 at 6:54pm |
WINTER DIESEL I THINK IS 80% KERO AND 20% NUMBER 2 D. NO DYE IN KERO AND FARM FUEL IS RED. SOME PLACES HERE IN MN. SELL NUMBER 1 AS KERO.
YOU CAN TELL THE DIFFERANCE BY THE SMELL OF THE HEATER.
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Dave in PA
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Posted: 11 Feb 2011 at 6:59pm |
Around here, off road is red, kero is clear, But some "sell kero" that is red?? It might be # 2 between us? I will still buy the CLEAR KERO! It is a few cents cheaper, burns a lot better!
Dave in PA
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Posted: 11 Feb 2011 at 7:06pm |
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I have bought some kerosene that was dyed red and some that wasn't dyed. I have wondered about that myself. I use it in the shop heater, but I have never really noticed it having a different smell. The store near my shop sells dyed kerosene, so that is where I usually get it.
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Posted: 11 Feb 2011 at 7:29pm |
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All of the fuel we get for the school busses is non-taxable so that is dyed because of being non-taxable. What the farm gets is also dyed because of being non-taxable. I"ve never bought kero so I wouldn't know.
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Posted: 11 Feb 2011 at 9:39pm |
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Red kero or diesel is not taxed like over the road fuel. The K-1 clear kero was dyed so it could be detected in big rig fuel tanks, because kero is used to stop jelling of the fuel. If a driver gets caught with pink fuel in his tank, he is subject to large fines. Bob
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Posted: 11 Feb 2011 at 9:52pm |
Kerosene is lighter than #1, has less paraffin in it. It is NOT the same as #1.
Around here Kerosene is sold both ways. Except when you buy undyed kero, you have to sign a form with your address, stating what you are going to use it for. I use it for my salamander in the shop, but sometimes it ends up in my Dodge because I don't trust the diesel that they sell around here not to jell up at -25.
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Posted: 11 Feb 2011 at 10:56pm |
 bakwoodsfarm wrote:
I just called the guy I buy fuel from, he said the kero and #1 are the same. His kero is not dyed only off-road #2 is dyed from him. The guy I used to buy fuel from had dyed kero, it was red. But my dad just bought some kero that was dyed green. I don't know, it is all just a ripe-off. |
Your fuel guy doesn't know what he's talking about. Kerosene and #1 Diesel are NOT the same. There are more BTU's in #1 diesel. It is easy to tell the difference between Kerosene and and #1 Diesel by testing the specific gravity. #2 Diesel typically falls between 33 and 38 on the API index. #1 Diesel between 38 and 41, and Kerosene 42 to 45 on the API index. If your Dad bought green dyed Kerosene, he probably got ripped off. If it's to be used in a torpedo heater, you will likely notice some smoke and/or hard to light when cold.
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Posted: 12 Feb 2011 at 5:19am |
I can't comment on the fuel colour situation in the USA, but in the UK kerosene is now dyed yellow, road diesel is undyed and off-road diesel is dyed red. Kerosene and diesel are NOT the same - they are completely different products produced by the fractional distillation of crude oil. Kerosene is a light fraction (28 seconds Redwood number 1) and is composed of a different mix of hydrocarbons. Diesel is a lower fraction and is heavier at 35 seconds Redwood 1. Off-road diesel is marked red to indicate that it has been partially rebated of the outrageous and exhorbitant fuel tax levied by the UK government on all road fuels. If you guys in the USA had to pay UK taxed prices for road fuel, there would be riots, but the supine UK population have been conditioned by socialist politicians over the years into believing that governments should grab their hard-earned money and waste it on mostly unnecessary "public services" . These politicians have got people beliving that they can spend the money better than the population can spend it for themselves and now the new government is having a problem trying to reverse this - insane, but that's how it is here!
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Edited by Tricky Dickie - 12 Feb 2011 at 12:36pm
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