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    Posted: 29 Dec 2010 at 12:41am
Now before I start, I am going to post a picture of the "problem" tomorrow. I got tied up today. First question I have is whether the six speed is a less common variant of the 912. Can't find much information about them. The mower deck drive belt keeps being burnt off and my suspicion is the idler pull being bent. I'm going to post a picture and see what anyone thinks. Dad almost sold it for 150 bucks but the guy said it wasn't "big" enough. I'd rather keep it but he wants rid of it. So, if I could fix it he'll keep it around. Right now it doesn't run but I've fixed it once and I'll fix it again. The gas cap is a fuel gauge and the top is broke so water runs in it. Just drain the water and it runs good. If anybody could help me with information or a possible cause to the deck drive belt burn off, can you please let me know. I will post a pic tomorrow. I'd really like to save this allis.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Gary Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Dec 2010 at 9:22am
Here is some reading on the 900 Series Allis Lawn Tractors.
 
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The spring loaded belt tightener has two possible places to mount the tightener pulley.  The one farthest to the left (as you sit on the tractor) is for driving a snowblower.  There's another tab to mount the pulley to for use with the mower deck.  If you're not using that tab, bad things happen. 

Also, after market belts don't work well with the mower deck.  Get one from your Simplicity or Allis dealer.  They're a little spendy, but cheaper than buying lots of aftermarket belts.

Also be sure that when you tighten up the belt, the tightener is in the green zone of the decal that should be behind it.
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To tell you the truth, I didn't see a belt tightener. It looked to me like the belt was tight all the time then turned when the clutch was engaged. I have taken some pictures that I hope might help. It's in the basement and dad took my light so I couldn't see very well but hopefully the pictures will be able to lead someone to help fix the problem. In the bottom picture, you can see that the belt is riding toward the outside of the pulley. The belts are being burnt off from the outside edge if that is another help.





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Another thing to look at is with the belt off make sure everything turns freely>
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Of the 3 pulleys in the top photo, the one farthest to the left is the tightener.  Look closely, there's a spring attached to the bottom of the bracket that that pulley is mounted on.  A lever near the left side of the rear hitch can be swung down to loosen that bracket and pulley.

Just looking at it, I think your belt may be too loose.  Besides slipping, the back side of the belt can interfere with the rear most pulley and get chewed up if it's too loose.  Flip the lever down to loosen the "left" pulley.  The bottom pulley in the top photo is in a slot and the bolt through the pulley can be loosened.  Then slide the bottom pulley 1/2" to 1" to the rear and re-tighten the bolt.  Then lift the lever up to tighten up the spring and tightener pulley.

Behind the bracket that the tightener pulley is mounted on (this bracket moves back and forth as you tighten the spring), there should be a colored decal.  The front part of the decal is red, the middle green, and the rear red.  The back edge of this movable bracket should be in the green------preferably in the front part of the green.

I can't tell for sure, but it looks like the tightener pulley is mounted in the correct tab on the tighten bracket.  It should be in the tab that points most directly to the center of the tractor.

Clear as mud, right!!


One thing else, turn off the mower before lifting it for transport.


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Make sure that your mower deck spindles are well lubricated and turn freely.  Sandy Lake Implement is really good on older mowers and have lots of parts on hand at great prices.
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Got a J D  with same set up  Mower deck pulley got banged up against bottom of tractor and mashed pully to close. Look o k but belt would not stay on . Spred pulley out now its fine.
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There many variables in between which deck you might have and which belt you need. The deck may not be orriginal to the tractor and if it has been changed then there might be  a belt designation different to what you  have. this will make a huge difference in how the deck mows and how the belt runs on the deck. Proper belt alignment is absolutely crucial to long belt life.
I think you have the correct setup on the idlers as was stated above and I think the problematic idler assembly was updated before the 900 series came out. But, they had an idler assembly that sucked for awhile. This can be identified by flipping the tensioner spring under the axle down which again as described above is the main belt tension spring. Drop this down and varify that only the front idler is floating under tention. The rear idler must be mounted solid. This is the good assembly. On the bad ones both idlers swung under spring tension. This would allow the applied load of the deck to pull against the belt and move the idler assmebly to where it would slack the belt and allow it to slip. This would cause very frustrating mowing conditions from the deck constantly stopping and very harsh belt wear.
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In your pic, that setup looks that same as whats on my 716H. I found when tearing down the machine to restore it, that the main pulley shaft had egg-shaped the frame rail out from wear. I don't think any kind of belt would've stayed on on that thing. Might be something to check out.....
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ok. What I'm going to try tomorrow first is tightening up that pulley to put more tension on the belt. The problem is that the belt is sliding to the outside of the tensioner pulley and it's chewing the belt from the top of the V in towards the middle. I will say that both pulleys I think are pretty well shot. Both move on their mounting bolts when you grab ahold of them. If I replaced both pulley's, bent the tensioner out so that the belt rode more in the middle and tightened up the belt, do you think that would help?
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One thing that was mentioned was to use the OEM belt. Another very important thing is that Simplicity designs thier systems to use thier own idlers also. You might find one simular but rarely will you find one to match the OEM style. If they are wobbling I'd recoment replacing bot idlers and the belt and try running it at low RPM's to see if the belt tracks true. If it doesn't then tweeking the angle of the bracket  may be needed to compensate for some wear or other unknown anomaly.
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Bingo. That's what I was planning on doing. I know the belt is not running true but after everything else is adressed, I will fix that. Thanks for the help. I really appreciate it. Hopefully I can get this done before break is over and I can prove to dad it's worth saving.
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You may also need to "space out" the flat tensioner pully away from the spring loaded swinging bracket so that the belt, when running, tracks more to the center.  This can be done by adding flat washers on the mounting bolt between the center hub and the bracket.  This may help keep the edge of the belt from being worn by the flange of the pulley.
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Very true. I had not thought of that. I've been sick for the last week and my head still isn't on straight. That would be a whole lot easier than trying to bed that tab. Thanks for the suggestion.
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The idler pulleys can be rebuilt.  Drill out the rivets and buy a bearing at NAPA or Fleet Farm (it's a standard size).  Re-assembly using regular rivets or pop rivets (regular rivets preferred).

My son had a bad idler pulley and he found a replacement at the local Deere lawn and garden for around $12.  No Simplicity/A-C dealer nearby.

Using washers is also a good idea to get the belt off the edge of the pulley.


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