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    Posted: 26 Dec 2010 at 10:05am
Finding a tractor is easy if you have a fat wallet. But what if you don't have big bucks to spend and your looking for a rare tractor or something like sheetmetal, front weights an overdrive, etc. etc.
 
Whats the trick? (If you will share LOL!)
 
Usually when I see something I'm looking for it's three states away or three times what I think it's worth. I admit I'm cheap but does anyone else think an unrestored D17 high crop w/ a junk sprayer is probably not worth $8000 or a pair of WD wheel weights are a bit high at $475 for example.
 
So far my "system" consists of road trips to exotic places like Wisconsin, Michigan, Indiana and southern Illinois and occasional dumb luck to find stuff close to home.
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I got a wc with a loader and 4 wheel weights for 350 delivered. I talk to other then Allis people to find stuff. I deal with alot of Deere and Moline guys and they look for me.
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I think some people depend upon their reputation as being an A-C collector to find alot of stuff also.  When you have that going for you people will call you wanting to sell things and you get to set the price also when buying in some cases if the person calling you has no idea what a fair price is on what they have to sell.   It doesn't work that way for me, anything I want I usually end up paying double what it's worth, then spending another double what it's worth fixing it up.
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When I drive through a small town. I put a ad in the local papers. Looking for a old project tractor. Or use the farm journal to advertise. Some of the radio stations also have have free advertizing on thier morning shows. When things hit the net the price tends to go up. What are you looking for. As for your D-17 ran cross one a year ago for $1200 with loader. I went on the net, and found a news paper for that area and put a $8 ad in. Found a Famall M that same way. The M was part of a estate They were  asking $800 for the M and $700 for the H with loader.  Think a guy had offered the lady $1200 for both but never came up with the cash. Rual rumage sales are a good place to shop also. Sometimes you get lucky, and see something sitting behind a barn or in shed with lots of dust on. The owners my never have thought of selling until you ask. Bought a Case 801B with loader and Woods D80 mower for $1200 like that. Like one person said cheap isn't always cheap parts cost money.

Edited by Dave A - 26 Dec 2010 at 1:17pm
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Pay attention to what's going on around you. Meet as many people as you can, and let them know that you collect Allis. Follow up on every lead, no matter how small. Be friendly, and open. Find things for other people.
 
Having a fat wallet does not hurt, in fact, buying things you really don't need sometimes helps, as you build a "trading stock".
 
If you really are serious about wanting something, be prepared to pay what it is worth.
 
If you cannot afford to play, you must live by the maxim "Even a blind hog finds an acorn once in a while......"
 
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In the old days, I used to buy old farm magazines, and look at the list of old AC dealers. Anytime I was near one of those towns, I would stop by and snoop around. Thats how I have found most of my stuff. Also, I have a lot of stuff sitting out by the road, I use for bait. I get a lot people stop, and tell me about something they may have I might be interested in. When I was in my early 20's people would tell me not to wear my Allis stuff to an auction, because others would just run it up on me knowing that I wanted it. One day I was running late, going to a toy show, the only hat I could find was my AC hat. While,  I didn't get any good deals at the show, an elderly gentleman asked me if I was interested in any old AC stuff. He was a dealer and had several signs at his house. Since I was a kid, I have always been like the pickers, stopping at old farms, knocking on doors and asking. I tend to relate better with the older generation, than most people my own age. Now, any minute I am not working, I am on the computer . If I am on craigs' list looking, if anyone has anything old listed, I look at it. If Im not interested in the listing, Im looking in the background, hoping to see something they may have that I am interested in.  Being, as I never had a fat wallet, I try to collect stuff while its still inexpensive, and hang on to it and hope someday it's worth something.
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well ive missed bargains because I was broke but thats just life. what I enjoy is hearing and seeing what others are finding. Ill never afford a really rare tractor but it doesnt cost me anything to look at pics of everyone elses tractors. Im just happy for the guys that can save a really  rare unit from the scrappers. brian S
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I admit that sometimes it's just dumb luck.  I picked up a WD45 from a forum member that needed rear rims and fenders but had a loader and ran good.   Put a listing on craigslist looking for a WD or WD45 parts tractor so that I could get some parts off of it for the WD45 I picked up.   Got someone to respond to the ad, saying they had a WD15 tractor.   It ended up being a D15 gas series 2 with  a fully hydraulic loader.   Incorrect rims and tires on the back and rough fenders, but ran good and didn't have the normal tranny problems.   He wanted 1500 for it, so I gave him a 100 down on it, and waited a month or two to pick it up as the drawbar was at their cabin and a missing hood was at his dad's place.   Once all the parts were together, I went and picked it up.   Sold the WD45 I picked up to another forum member in the meantime.  
Found two B's once for 1000, came with one plow and one sickle mower.  One ran, the other was tight from sitting.   After tearing the engine down, the sleeve was cracked and broken from ice so I parted it out.   Got most of my 1000 back in parts so the other B is now referred to as my free B.   My unstyled WC came home with a WD that was tight.   Sold enough parts off of the WD to pay for both of them.
 
As far as the rare ones, I think some people find out where certain "rare" things are and don't tell anyone and keep working the owner to sell.   Hopefully over time, people break down.  I myself know of a few that might be considered oddballs, a U, a IB, etc. and maybe someday I can persuade the owners to have their tractors find a new home. 
1955 WD45 diesel 203322 was my dad's tractor, 1966 D15 23530, 1961 HD3 Crawler 1918, 1966 D17 IV 83495, 1937 WC 41255, 1962 D19 6221
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Main thing is having a "WIFE" that you do not have to "ASK" every time you want to buy something.Trust me on this one.#2 if it is something you realy are wanting then you should already have the FUND's for if or when it pop's up.#3 never hurt's having a little pile of extra cash around ,thats when you can get REAL DEAL's when people need MONEY NOW!! and know you like buying AC item's. 
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The rare things or hard to find thing's are the one's that SURPRIZE you when they pop up !
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Fred's right about the wife.Mine not only doesn't complain when I buy something, she finds stuff. She has a better eye for orange than I do. We drive Maine route 43 between here and Madison often. There is a place with a hillside with lots of various colors on display, some tractors and some other equipment. One day, she said "I think there is a white top Rotobaler up there. Sure enough. Gotta love 'em.
My rural mailman is also a big help. He found me a WD-45 owned by a neighbor 2 miles away and the mailman also sold me his B-112 after telling me for two years that, although it hasn't run in many years, he never sells anything. Bob@allisdowneast
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My WD45 was listed on craigslist as "Tractor". So don't narrow your search to ads that say Allis Chalmers. Who knows how many AC guys passed over that ad.
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As was said before sometimes its just dumb luck but you can make at lot of your own luck by talking to alot of people and collectors of other brands. Had a Case collector put me on to an excellent originial D-12 for $1650. On the way home from the same collector I stopped at a salvage yard and saw an early Speed Maintainer mounted on a Farmall H. When I went to pick it up, I walked into the yard 100' and saw a WC wide front which went on the truck for $175. On the way to a jobsite 600 miles from home, I saw a TL-W loader at the road for sale and it made its way here. Then there was the farm sale where I bought and H-3 and blade with originial paint still on the tracks. A Gleaner E for $275 at an auction with a perfect pair of 26" power shift rims. I needed the rims and the engine was a bonas. The estate yard sale (cash only) D-15 rear pie weights  for $20 and the 220 with a fresh engine rebuild (the guy died before he heard it run) $5000. It's a lot about talking to a lot of different people and getting out there. I have to add that a wife that is a good sport helps a lot. But then she has never wanted for anything because of my A-C collecting

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I spend alot of time on the net (To much) And sometimes it is just luck how people have said before. When I buy or sell stuff, I want to be up front with them, because you never know when they may help you again in the future. I hope I have repesented things good when I sell them. I usually have to advertize cheaper because I am from the Pacific northwest, but I also did dispatch and arrange trucking so that has helped me alot on the selling end. I have a list of about 100 plus drivers that I use and always say call if your in the area of find something, call me. Also 2 good broker sources. I have alot of friends over the years in different states and just give a call every now and then and hand out my name and phone numbers also. My friend Bob Vanderploeg and I do some back and forth and he has a huge network. He's 66 I am 39, He dont find the stuff ,it finds him LOL!!! That s my 2 cents worth. My best deal was on a D 21 in Southern CA. where my neices ag teacther and I became good friends. He said he would give me a 21 for a donation and it was sitting for about 10 years. I gave him some cash and made the round trip of 2500 miles(Hauled equipment on the way down and paid for all the fuel and motels) Sold it later back east and that paid for another big tractor. Buy and sell and trade. I think it drives my wife nuts some times, but it also has paid some some doctor bills and small vacations. My wife is GREAT about this.
 
Sorry for rambling. Good topic. Thanks Darryl
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You just have to ask around.  Last week I asked a local Allis mechanic if he knew of any ''E'' Gleaners around.  He did, about three miles out of town, I tooled out there and bought an E, and.....a WD 45 with factory power steering!  At a decent price, too.  The man wasn't ''trying'' to sell, but I showed up and the deal was struct.  Good way to meet some nice people, too!
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i put the word out...friends and auctioneers! they watch and contact me!
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I let all my friends know I like old "junk" tractors,then I keep my head on a swivel,looking for rust poking out of weeds,craigslist also works,Epay is too expensive to buy tractors,but parts can be found.
Also make sure that when I go get a non running tractor I make it as nice as possible for the seller,they may know someone who also has some "junk" to get rid of,cussing and tearing up they're property will make them negative,but cleaning up after yourself and being somewhat professional about things may make them recommend you to they're friends.
Also,old folks who own these "junk" tractors remember paying top dollar for cutting edge equipment,they're still proud,though they know they're obsolete,so it makes them happy to know I'm not trying to make a quick buck by scrapping the thing.
The guy who sold me the Cletracs I bought was mad at his friend for not selling me the others,he knew I was not going to let anything useful go to china.

Kids just want Grandpa's old crap gone sometimes,that makes me a little sad,but I take it and take care of it,before some greasy scrapper comes and takes it to the big scrap bins.
You'll miss some,near Dad's house there was a TD14 with a pull behind ripper on it,I asked several times,and so did Dad,they said they weren't sure what they wanted to do with it,so a year later my Dad calls and says he saw the scrap man cutting it up,they'd have gotten twice scrap price and had a nice clean spot where it used to be,instead of a sl*g pile and oily mess,oh well :(
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