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Rick 
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Posted: 18 Dec 2010 at 2:33pm |
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I just bought a 170 Allis gas tractor and was wondering if the 226 engine that it has in it,would be the same horsepower as the 226 D17 Series IV engine? Are the engine rpm's the same? I was thinking that it would be in the 52-54 hp range. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks,Rick
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Don(MO)
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Posted: 18 Dec 2010 at 3:26pm |
Here's a link to the INFO you are looking for.
Now Can I use your new to you 170? lol
How about some pics of it too.
Don
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Rick
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Posted: 18 Dec 2010 at 3:46pm |
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Don...you sure can ol'buddy! I'll try to get some pics of it when it gets home...which reminds me...I've never remembered to get any pics of the two 180's either yet! Sorry 'bout that. I'll see what I can do once this one gets here. Rick
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Posted: 18 Dec 2010 at 3:50pm |
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Hey guy's, you can park it at my farm, no charge, use it anytime you want!
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DrAllis
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Posted: 18 Dec 2010 at 6:47pm |
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The 170 will have about 4 more HP than a D17 series 4. The D17 series 4 was never Nebraska tested and would have only produced 48 or 49 hp at the PTO where the 170 will make 54 hp as per Nebraska test.
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Don(MO)
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Posted: 18 Dec 2010 at 7:58pm |
Rick,
I'll just add 20 more feet to the new barn here and the 170 and one of the 180s can stay at my place. LMAO
Don
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DanD
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Posted: 18 Dec 2010 at 8:01pm |
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The 170 engine had a rated speed of 1800 RPM instead of 1650 in the D17 IV. It also has a comprssionratio of 8.0:1 instead of 7.2:1 in the D17 (original compression ratio is shown in the engine serial number...D17 engines end with an M, while 170 engines end in a Z, while 175 engines end with a V which means an 8.2:1 compression ratio). The carburator also has a throat diameter if 1 1/8 inches in the 170 while it was 1 inch in a D17 and 1 1/4 inches in a 175.
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Posted: 18 Dec 2010 at 8:10pm |
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Wasn't there also a different gov. spring on the 175 vs 170?
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Posted: 18 Dec 2010 at 8:23pm |
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170 and 175 use the SAME governor spring and governor weights.
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Posted: 18 Dec 2010 at 8:26pm |
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No, both the 170 and 175 use governor spring 70226785. All D17's use spring 70229519.
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Posted: 18 Dec 2010 at 8:28pm |
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Looks like Dr. Allis beat me by 3 minutes!
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Posted: 18 Dec 2010 at 8:28pm |
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Thanks for the info guys...I appreciate it! Don...you can go ahead and add the extra length to your new building,'cause it would be nice just to leave that WD45 of mine at your place,instead of dragging it up and down I-70! LOL! Now I need to find me a real good 4 bottom plow for the 170 and the 180's to play with. Rick
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Posted: 18 Dec 2010 at 8:46pm |
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Grandpa bought a 185 new in 1978, he then bought a 4-16 Mono-Frame plow, sometimes the plow played with the tractor.
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Posted: 18 Dec 2010 at 8:58pm |
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Rick, did it come from my neck of the woods? If you want a four bottom three point I might know where one is. Tobe
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Posted: 18 Dec 2010 at 9:01pm |
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Yeah...I guess it depends on what kind of ground you're plowing though too. Sod ground that has never been plowed before or for several years will be harder to plow than ground that's been plowed every year. At any rate,it gives the tractor a good work out and that beats them just sitting around and doing nothing! LOL! Rick
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Posted: 18 Dec 2010 at 9:04pm |
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Well,Tobe...where is your "neck of the woods"? I bought the tractor today in Morrison,Mo.. Is that close to you? Yeah,I might be interested. Thanks,Rick
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Posted: 18 Dec 2010 at 9:06pm |
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Most of the time the plow and tractor were a good match but Grandpa's farm has really heavy black ground and there were times the front end would get very light.
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Posted: 18 Dec 2010 at 9:19pm |
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Rick - congratulations on the new 170! You seem to have thinned the herd of older AC's in favor of new ones...I like the trend! Tobe is not far from you in the Hermann, MO area. Mike
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Posted: 18 Dec 2010 at 9:20pm |
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so if its a 226 in a 170, will one fit in a WD?
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Rick
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Posted: 18 Dec 2010 at 9:37pm |
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Mike...Actually,I had gotten rid of about six tractors that were a little older here a while back and have replaced them with some newer ones. I do have a problem with getting rid of tractors though...I seem to keep buying them,so much so that I'm totally out of room,which I am right now. Thus,the reason for wanting to keep my WD45 at ol' buddy Don's place! LMAO! I suspect I'll have to build another building pretty soon...like next year maybe,but probably 2012. If I build it big enough I can have an excuse to buy more tractors to fill it up! Rick
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Posted: 18 Dec 2010 at 9:42pm |
 BennyLumpkin wrote:
so if its a 226 in a 170, will one fit in a WD?
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Yes it will. here is a pic of my Dad's WD45 with Gleaner E engine, same as D17. 
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Posted: 19 Dec 2010 at 10:57am |
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Rick, I brought you the 180's and suspect I will bring your 170. Tobe
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Posted: 19 Dec 2010 at 12:11pm |
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Well I'll be...now I know who you are after all this time! LOL! Yeah,I guess you'll be bringing it to me. I have been wondering where you were located all this time and now I know. It's a small world for sure! I'll see you next week some time. Rick
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Posted: 19 Dec 2010 at 2:19pm |
TobeMo wrote:
Rick, I brought you the 180's and suspect I will bring your 170. Tobe |
Hey Tobe, just haul the 170 over to my place and drop the bill by Ricks on the way back home. lmao
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Posted: 19 Dec 2010 at 2:37pm |
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Hey,Don...that'll work for me ,too,if I get a little corner piece of that building! LMAO! Rick
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Posted: 19 Dec 2010 at 5:25pm |
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Just in from feeding. I thought you knew who, where I was, sorry. I think I'm headed south tomorrow but I will see. Ii should be a good unit. I didn't work on it but those kinds of tractors are becomeing rare. Don, if I thought that would work I could pick up a few more, seeing as how Rick is picking up the bill that is. Tobe
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Posted: 19 Dec 2010 at 5:47pm |
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Yeah,I knew you said you got on the forum once in a while,but never really thought about it...didn't know it was you. I think Don is just trying to fill up that new building of his ahead of time! LOL! Oh,Don...are you going to make a lean-to along one side of the building? Just wondering,'cause if you park my one tractor under it,will you guarantee me that the birds won't crap all over it! LMAO! They sure do that around here with the few I have under the lean-to. Of course,if I didn't have so many tractors,I wouldn't have to worry about that,I guess! Rick
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Posted: 19 Dec 2010 at 7:28pm |
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Rick - you are going to have to shift the budget from tractors to more shed for a while to fix that...too bad we can't print more money to blow like the government!!! Mike
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1968 Gleaner EIII w 10' & 330
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Posted: 19 Dec 2010 at 9:38pm |
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Mike...I figure that I needed to get the tractor before I worried about building me a new building. It's a real nice tractor and there's not a whole lot of them around here I've found out. Not for sale anyway. I'll be ready to build another building in 2012...another 30 X 60 with the 16 X 60 lean-to on it. That'll make two buildings the same size. If that's not enough room,then I'll just have to quit collecting...or have some of my good ol' buddies let me store some in their sheds! LOL! Rick
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