Hay / Parade Wagon, again

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   I finally got my new-to-me wagon running gear home.  What I did not realize from the pictures is that the center pole has been removed and the front and back ends welded together.  I guess I have some grinding and refurbishing in my near future, as the Christmas parade is November 28.

So, here's my big question.  After I cut the tank frame off, and cut the two axles apart, and buy a piece of pipe to make a reach pole, and design in some flex from front to back, I have to put a bed on it.  I am thinking 7'x14', with about 18" over hang front and rear.   That will give me 11' for the runners to span.  I plan on using treated and dried 4x6s.  Can I put treated 2x4s flat across that for joists, and run 2x8s front to rear for the floor?  Or do I need 4x4s joists and 2x8 decking?

I am probably over thinking this, but I am trying to be efficient with what little money I have for this.  I could screw the 2x4s to the 4x6s with deck screws.  I am thinking I would have to do the angle iron brackets to attach 4x4s to the 4x6s.  I assume the bed will need to be able to flex some, and I am not sure if deck screws will take that kind of strain or if they will break too easily.

Sorry for the long ramble, any ideas welcome.

Adam

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NCAllisnut Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Silver Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Shelby NC Points: 365	Post Options Post Reply Quote NCAllisnut Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: Hay / Parade Wagon, again Posted: 05 Nov 2010 at 8:48pm
	I finally got my new-to-me wagon running gear home. What I did not realize from the pictures is that the center pole has been removed and the front and back ends welded together. I guess I have some grinding and refurbishing in my near future, as the Christmas parade is November 28. So, here's my big question. After I cut the tank frame off, and cut the two axles apart, and buy a piece of pipe to make a reach pole, and design in some flex from front to back, I have to put a bed on it. I am thinking 7'x14', with about 18" over hang front and rear. That will give me 11' for the runners to span. I plan on using treated and dried 4x6s. Can I put treated 2x4s flat across that for joists, and run 2x8s front to rear for the floor? Or do I need 4x4s joists and 2x8 decking? I am probably over thinking this, but I am trying to be efficient with what little money I have for this. I could screw the 2x4s to the 4x6s with deck screws. I am thinking I would have to do the angle iron brackets to attach 4x4s to the 4x6s. I assume the bed will need to be able to flex some, and I am not sure if deck screws will take that kind of strain or if they will break too easily. Sorry for the long ramble, any ideas welcome. Adam

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ChuckLuedtkeSEWI Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Jackson, WI Points: 1826	Post Options Post Reply Quote ChuckLuedtkeSEWI Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 05 Nov 2010 at 9:37pm
	Adam, if all you're using it for is a parade wagon, the 2 x 4 idea will probably work, but if it is ever going to be used for something else, the 4 x 4's are a better option. They have some really great screws at the hardware stores, called Timberlock, although there are other brands. They come in 6, 8, 10 inch lengths so you could use them to screw the 4 x 4's down from the top down and the heads countersink really nice in lumber. We use them all the time in residential construction, very strong connection. They now pass up here for connecting roof trusses from the bottom up to the top plates, and then you don't have to put hurricane straps on. My dad's old hay wagon was built just like you described but with the 4 x 4's and then he put a piece of angle iron all the way around it welded like a rectangle to protect the wood board edges. His back rail that we stacked hay against was mounted to the angle iron and angle straps went down to each side to keep the back rigid. Worked great for hay and I used that wagon for many a float for high school etc. back in the day.
	1955 WD45 diesel 203322 was my dad's tractor, 1966 D15 23530, 1961 HD3 Crawler 1918, 1966 D17 IV 83495, 1937 WC 41255, 1962 D19 6221

NCAllisnut Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Silver Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Shelby NC Points: 365	Post Options Post Reply Quote NCAllisnut Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 06 Nov 2010 at 6:43am
	Thanks Chuck! I had forgotten about the timber screws. I may have enough of those in the shop. Adam

ChuckLuedtkeSEWI Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Jackson, WI Points: 1826	Post Options Post Reply Quote ChuckLuedtkeSEWI Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 06 Nov 2010 at 6:53am
	Also, on my last running gear that I fixed up, the pole in the middle had one hole straight through one end with a bolt holding it together and the other end had a hole through the pole, but the front half of the wagon the hole was slotted about 20 degrees each way on the top and the bottom. The bolt was fairly tight there but had enough slack so that the front half could pivot independent of the back half. If you want I can go and get some pictures of it in the backyard.
	1955 WD45 diesel 203322 was my dad's tractor, 1966 D15 23530, 1961 HD3 Crawler 1918, 1966 D17 IV 83495, 1937 WC 41255, 1962 D19 6221

NCAllisnut Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Silver Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Shelby NC Points: 365	Post Options Post Reply Quote NCAllisnut Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 06 Nov 2010 at 5:40pm
	That would help. What I was thinking of would be quite a bit more complicated. Adam

Stan R Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 03 Dec 2009 Location: MA Points: 963	Post Options Post Reply Quote Stan R Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 06 Nov 2010 at 5:43pm
	We used 4x4 pt and pt decking with screws