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    Posted: 21 Jun 2010 at 7:44pm
I have a very old Sovereign 3415 S by Simplcity. It's so old it has the combination starter generator.

It hasn't run in years. I did a compression check before I removed it. It has 85 PSI, I was very surprised I expected more like 30 or 40.

The engine is a Briggs Synchro Balanced. Is there an easy way to check the coil? It's an external fly wheel mag.

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you might try posting the same thing at mytractorforum.com
they have a simplicity section there w/ some helpful people
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Dusty, Those are about as simple as they come. When you say Syncro-Balanced, I'm going to take a guess and say the first 3 numbers in the model of your engine are going to be 170 or 190 (horizontal crank) or 171 or 191 (vertical crank). 7 or 8 hp. Either way, the 7 through 12 hp vertical and horizontal aluminum engines all use the same coil if it is a 2 leg type. There is a 3 leg variety that could be found on the 7hp engine. Look at the coil closely, it is possible it has a Magnatron coil on it. The Magnatron will only have a kill wire attached to it. There are 2 types of Magnatron systems. The newest has the module inside the coil and you can see a little metal button on it that faces the magnets in the flywheel. These are completely sealed and are the newest variety. The older type is a module that slides in between the coil and armature leg. You can see the connections made to the module. If it has never been touched, it has a set of points under the flywheel on aluminum engines. Model 14 and higher cast iron engines have a cover on the carb side of the block where the points are.
As easy as a Magnatron coil is to install, no need to remove the flywheel, I'd just go that route. Last I knew a Magnatron coil, if it's the 398811 or 393811 can't remember which number for sure, would be in the $40 to $50 range. You will hear people say sand the rust off the magnets on the flywheel. It makes absolutely NO difference in running/starting. The only reason might be if the rust is thick enough that the armature is rubbing on it. The proper gap is .020. A match book cover or the boxes that B&S used are usually the right thickness too. The vibrations from rubbing the flywheel will shorten the life of the coil.
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Dusty, did ya get it figured out?

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No, I don't know how much I want to put into this. I would get it usable and sell it. I priced a new coil to day, almost $50. I did get a set of points and condenser today, $30. something.

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Brian, I put a new condenser on it, took the carb apart and cleaned it out, it had a lot of white powder in it, I think it was from the /aluminum/pot metal it is made of. Put some fresh gas in it and it started. It would only idle, it appears that  the governor is stuck. I'll have to pull the pan and have a look.

It's a horizontal crank and a cast iron block with an aluminum head. I think with the tractor model 3414 it is a 14 horse engine.

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You can't open the throttle on the carb by hand at all? On an engine like you describe, the model and type numbers will either be stamped into the flywheel cover near the bottom or on a tag attached to the cover around the cylinder.
White powder in the bowl indicates water was in it. Did the carb body have 3 or 4 bolts holding the top to the bottom? You can check the governor adjustment easy enough. Loosen the clamp bolt on the governor arm so the arm can be turned on the shaft. Note which direction the lever would turn the shaft for wide open throttle. With the throttle wide open, turn the lever (usually CCW) with a screwdriver until it stops. Hold it in this position and tighten the clamp. Verify the throttle does not bind and can close fully. If all ok, start the engine and it should have normal governor control.
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Brian, I thought I had posted the serial number bot see I didn't, I'll get it in the morning.

It is a 4 bolt.

The throttle at the carb would move. It did when I had the carb off the engine. I'll try loosening the clamp.

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Brian, The serial #32543-0126-01-7109281 It's a Briggs Sychro Balanced.

Did Simplicity put Briggs engines on their garden tractors? My brain is a little slow sometimes, I just realized last night that the throttle cable was not hooked up when I pulled the engine. Also the throttle on it looks like it was for a stationary engine.

Dusty

#325431-01-7109281

I did miss a number.

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I found the throttle problem, there's a jet adjustment in the bottom corner of the carb bowl, that adjustment screw comes out and the seat unscrews out and it has a long tub the goes up at an angle and all the way through the carb throat. When I put the carb back together that tube misted the hole on the inside of the throat and went up and jammed the throttle butter fly valve shut. 

I didn't have time to start the engine again, to see how it runs now.

I may sell this engine and part out the garden tractor. It's missing part of the PTO clutch. And I'm not sure about the transmission.

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Originally posted by Dusty MI Dusty MI wrote:

Brian, The serial #32543-0126-01-7109281 It's a Briggs Sychro Balanced.

Did Simplicity put Briggs engines on their garden tractors? My brain is a little slow sometimes, I just realized last night that the throttle cable was not hooked up when I pulled the engine. Also the throttle on it looks like it was for a stationary engine.

Dusty
 
The Briggs engines have a model, type, and code stamped on them.   I think you're missing a digit on the first set of numbers, I'll bet it's 325431.  The 32 indicates a 32 cubic inch displacement, the biggest single cylinder engine they made of the old L head type.  The 4 indicates that it has a horizontal crankshaft with a Flo-Jet carburetor and a mechanical governor.  The 3 means that the main bearings are flange mounted ball bearings, and the 1 would indicate a rope starter (as shipped from Briggs).  The 0126 is the type.  It idicates things like the engine is shipped without a gas tank with provisions for remote choke and throttleand the end of the crankshaft is straight with a keyway and drilled and tapped on the end.  Just check out the Briggs parts books and you'll see there are many different types for each model of engine.  The last number is the code.  7109281 tells me your engine was built on September 28, 1971. 
I have a little newer Sovereign tractor with a 326431 16 hp engine.  It is a 0127 on the type,and code 7410081, meaning it was built on October 8, 1974.  I completely overhauled this engine a few years back.  Tore it down to the bare block and replaced virtually every major part exvept the camshaft.  Here it is in action in the winter.   Also, for any Simplicity questions, go to www.simpletractors.com.   Also, for a parts list for your engine right from Briggs, go here http://www.briggsandstratton.com/maint_repair/manual_and_more/docmanualdetails.aspx?showpdf=MS6179_A_LO.pdf
 
Finally here is a video of my tractor moving a little snow.
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Brian,
I got the engine back in the tractor , put fresh oil in it, fresh 

gas in the tank, and it started right up.

Thanks for all your great help. Success is always great.

Dusty




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