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    Posted: 28 Apr 2010 at 11:25pm

I guess AGCO isn't the only equipment company making people unhappy!

Low Inventory Angers John Deere Customers

Some farmers bolt as recovery catches the equipment maker short

 

By Shruti Singh

Bloomberg Businessweek

April 22, 2010

 

• "I suspect we can lose at least half a dozen deals a month"

 

Jay Armstrong just broke a 50-year family tradition at his Kansas farm: He bought his first major piece of equipment that's not a John Deere brand. The Italian-made corn harvesting combine attachment Armstrong ordered from Dragotec USA will arrive in May. The same $59,000 part from Deere (DE) wouldn't have been delivered until August. "I used to be blind to all colors but [Deere's] green and yellow," he says. "My color blindness is now gone."

 

In recent years, Deere has been focusing on becoming a build-to-order company. That bolstered prices and profit because keeping smaller stockpiles on hand reduces the amount of materials and working capital a company needs. But production cuts and the tightest inventories in the industry have led to a shortage of Deere equipment as the farm economy is strengthening. And that's pushing customers such as Armstrong toward competitors.

 

Deere shrank its inventory 28% in the 12 months ended on Jan. 31. As a percentage of sales in the most recent reported 12 months, Deere's inventory was just 12.3%, the lowest among 15 farm and construction equipment makers, including Agco (AGCO) and Caterpillar (CAT). Fewer products have big implications for the company's dealers. "It means I am losing market share," says Larry Southard, co-owner of a central Iowa dealership that gets 90% of its sales from Deere gear. He figures his dealership's sales would be up to 20% higher this year if it had enough inventory to meet customer demand and products were shipped more quickly. "I suspect we can lose at least half a dozen deals a month," Southard says.

 

One reason: A farmer who recently has ordered a tractor for crops such as corn and soybeans, which are harvested starting in September, may not be able to get the equipment until December or January, he says.

 

Ken Golden, a spokesman for Moline (Ill.)-based Deere, says the manufacturer's "intense focus" on managing inventory has improved its financial performance and has allowed it to design better products for customers. Deere's sharp-penciled ways certainly helped temper the hit to its profits during the recession, when sales declined for some equipment makers. Deere's 52% decline in trailing 12-month profit was smaller than Agco's 65% drop and Caterpillar's 75% plunge. "Deere is likely a little ahead [in managing its stocks]," says UBS (UBS) analyst Henry Kirn, because it has "focused on taking inventories out of the channel and becoming leaner over time."

 

Deere Chief Financial Officer James M. Field said on a Feb. 18 conference call that the company had been too pessimistic about the effect of the global recession on North American farmers. In November, Deere predicted its net sales would decline about 1% in the year ahead after dropping 19% in the 12 months ended Oct. 31. Deere expected production tonnage to decrease 3%. In February the company revised its outlook upward, forecasting sales to increase up to 8% in 2010 as gains in farm cash receipts rise far more than expected.

 

Deere's Golden says the company is boosting production to match the improved orders. Still, Kansas farmer Armstrong says bad feelings may linger as a result of the company's inventory squeeze. "Deere's business plan of trying to control the supply vs. selling a product and providing a service is going to come back and haunt them," he says.

 

The bottom line: Inventory management is crucial in a slump. But maximizing profit without forgoing future sales is difficult as business strengthens.

 

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Bill Long Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Apr 2010 at 12:55am
You know, we closed our Allis Chalmers dealership in 1962.  Basic reason was that they stopped making the tractors that were so popular in our area - B, C, CA, and G - and asked us to sell the bigger units - D-14, D-15, and D-17.  The replacement for the smaller tractors was the D-10 and D-12.  Fine units but were too large for our needs. 
That said, I still remember the times the company would say get the orders "We'll have the equipment".  We got the orders and found much to our dismay that they could not deliver.  Equipment that was needed in June - July arrived in September.  The sales were lost.  Guess things have not changed too much - even now.
I would imagine they will get better.  Can't lose too many sales.  However, the companies always pay a close balancing act.  They do anything to improve the bottom line.
Good Luck!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote SHAMELESS Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Apr 2010 at 1:06am
doesn't the dealership have a say in what and how many parts they can keep on hand? i agree that it's hard to stock what they might need, but they know what equipment they have out and they should stock parts to them. if they have the part there, they make the sale, like me, if i ask and they don't have it, i go elsewhere, i need that part now not 1-2-3 weeks down the road! if we don't get the part, we may have harvest losses due to weather, harvest is what buys their equipment!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote SHAMELESS Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Apr 2010 at 1:13am
oh yeah...that reminds me...i was at a JD dealership on day, needed an air filter for my JD, they didn't have one for my model, but they said they have/or can get any filter needed for any brand of equipment someone may have!!! WTF!!! couldn't get a filter for my JD at a JD dealership, but could get one for my AC, they had in stock!! (there was a couple AC dealerships in the area also! so they wanted AC's business to! i also needed a part for my kinze planter, they got real p****y and said they don't carry parts for kinze, but i knew the part i needed would fit from JD to kinze. they wouldn't sell me the part!!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ToddSin NY Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Apr 2010 at 1:38am
Well whether we like it or not, it DOES come down to the almight dollar! If the company isn't making a profit why be in buisness? They have to cut corners where they can. We as consumers have GOT to be able to look ahead and be flexiable to see what we may need in the future. If you are thinking of buying a tractor in the near future you better start early! We can't wait and say I'm buying a tractor today. We have to say I'm buying a tractor in this fiscal year, go order it well in advance and take delivery when we wanted it to be here. Times are changing gentlemen and we need to change with them or be left behind!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Kipn Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Apr 2010 at 9:16am
In defense of the dealers, I know what they go through. Owning a retail store, what to have in inventory is critical to my customer satisfaction and profit. But having to much inventory means it will carry over to the next year and will have to be paid for now. Last years product can become obsolete and I can loose money. Its a delicate balance, especially now in this economy.
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Actually the Dragotech corn head is selling well because it works well. I don't know about relative pricing, but I saw it in use several places last fall on red combines. Might be there's some technical innovation. I'll have to ask my tenant who ran one.

He says the front gathering chain sprockets aren't hidden by the snouts and so the chaines are more aggressive at gathering corn. The spring loaded stripper plates self adjust to the corn stalk size and so keep the ears and shelled corn in the head better. Drago claims less shelling, amounting to 2 or 3 bushels to the acre increased yield. A heavy and expensive head. The heaviest corn head on the market and Drago only makes corn heads.

So there just might be technical reasons for buying Drago rather than Deer or CIH. My tenant ran a 12 row head on a big leased CIH combine, did my 28 acres in less than 3 hours last fall.

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John deere and Case have been trying to force smaller dealers out of business as well.  Our lafayette in dealer (jd) was forced to pick either ag line or industrial line, the picked the later.  They want 2 or 3 dealers per state with many outlets, similar to Cat dealers.  Reduces pricing competition from close dealers
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Shameless the companys will let dealers stock any parts that we want.  Wholegood equipment is a little different, retail items come first and then stock units are produced in the order that they are taken but they do not always plan enough build slots for all stock units because typically there are more units ordered than history shows selling.
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