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boscoe
Silver Level Joined: 23 Jan 2010 Location: ND Points: 165 |
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Posted: 10 Mar 2010 at 7:00am |
If anyone has recently had a paint job done on a midsize AC mine is a D17 Blast, prime , paint, what should it cost, what is a reasonable price to pay. Also what is the best paint to get and where.
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Gary in da UP
Orange Level Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: EUP of Mi. Points: 1885 |
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Lots of Questions, and it depends upon a lot of things. Do you want a tractor that looks good at 50', or 15' or at arm's length? What is the condition of your tractor?. Post some photos and be a little more specific about your expectations then you can get a fairly accurate idea of cost.
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Butch(OH)
Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Lucerne Ohio Points: 3835 |
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For decent quality matertials like PPG Omni or Shopline expect to spend $300. The best available materials are 3X that price. Past that what Gary said is right on as everybody's opinion differs on just what "decent paint job" means. To prep and paint a tractor that is decent to start with requires a month of my time evenings and saturdays. Translate that to a living wage and then add for dent and rust repair if needed then add things like emblems guages, steering wheels etc. Soon you will see why allmost everybody who has done more than one A-1 restored tractor will say, " I dont keep track, if I did, I wouldnt do it."
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Ken in Texas
Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Henderson, TX Points: 5919 |
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Are you wanting a turn key complete restoration paint job? Are you doing any of the disassembly and reassembly yourself. At $45 an hour profesional restoration shop rates you could easy spend $5000. You can't get much for for a grand. Friend had a D10 blasted and painted cheap for $1500. Like the above post says at 50 feet it looked great. Up close you could see thin and missed places and tell it wasn't even primed. The tin work was pretty rust pitted and it no attempt was made to make it smooth. The owner took it to a car wash before a show and blew some paint off down to the iron on the transmission and final drive housings.
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omahagreg
Orange Level Access Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Omaha, Nebraska Points: 2805 |
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My paint shop won't even quote me a price on my WD! He says his paint (material only) costs more than the cheap shops charge for the whole job. Your best bet, if you don't want to do it yourself, is to find a 'shop' class-either high school or college-that would paint it for the cost of materials. It might not be perfect, but I have seen cars and tractors done that way, and they were not bad looking at all.
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Greg Kroeker
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gary ny
Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: verona ny Points: 361 |
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My paint jobs start at $1000 plus paint for a tractor that size if your tin work needs work the price goes up from there but that includes pressurer wash ,wire wheel the old paint off priming ,prep and painting and that is cheep,but you would be amazed at the people that will say "I can buy alot of paint brushes for that".My paint work you could take to any show and stand out,and beleve me I am not braging but I am my biggest cridick so I don t let the tractor out of my shop unless im happy with it no matter what I have gone through with it
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Sandknob
Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Oblong, IL Points: 2456 |
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I just priced a job for a fellow on an unstyled B John Deere that was a real nice paint job (arms length type). This included disassembly, sandblasting, priming, painting, clearcoating, and reassembly for $2500. This of course did include a new hood, air cleaner, muffler, steering wheel, vinyl decals, and a few other assorted parts and the cost of paint. I request all money up front for supplies/paint/parts and the rest at time job is complete. What you have to realize on a JD B is there is almost no sheetmetal. Sheetmetal is the killer on cost usually as most times it takes a lot of time to make it look good. It may look good in its old paint, but when you get it cleaned to bare metal and primed you can see lots of imperfections that have to be fixed.
Adam
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gary ny
Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: verona ny Points: 361 |
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I stay clear of sand blasting I had to many problems with little bits of sand that always seem to pop out on the final coat when i use to paint cars.I would wash ,blow out all the seams under the hood and evey where ,spend hour cleaning and preping and poof final coat sand would come from nowhere and land right in the middle of a hood or a trunk lid .After 4 times I said I would never use sand again its been about 35 yrs.I use a braided wire wheel on a angle grinder and it takes it right down to bare metel without leaving and marks .Usually for a wd size I will go through two wheels
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GregLawlerMinn
Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Lawler, Mn Points: 1226 |
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Two years ago, I removed the tin, frame braces, etc from a D12 and prepped it for sand blast. I pressure washed to remove the grease and crud from the tractor, plugged the openings and greased the seals (degreaser detergent, solvent, etc cost over $25) and hauled the items and bare-back tractor to the local sandblaster. It cost me nearly $500 to sand blast and prime paint the tractor and parts. When I got it all home I puttied the dings and sanded the tin smooth (Bondo, sandpaper, spatulas, etc cost nearly $75). Then I painted it myself using Valspar Restoration Series Implement enamel (the paint, thinner and hardner cost a little over $100). The decals cost nearly $200. In the end, I had nearly $1,000 into the paint...plus a lot of time. I consider that the paint job is fair as it sure looks a lot better at 50 feet than it does at 5 feet (it shows well to those who are not painters and/or believe tractors are not automobiles).
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gary ny
Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: verona ny Points: 361 |
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Greg thats good that you did that ,I encourage people to do there own as much as possible because then they have an understanding of how much work it is to do one.I find that the everyday user tractors are the hardest to do because as I get older the more picky I get and if my name is going on it, it has to be right so I spend more time fixing things that bother me but the owner really doesn t care that much,but I after doing so many each one becomes a peace of pride when it leaves. I am actually thinking of getting out of doing them for people and just doing my own but I truely enjoy making something that looks beat look like new again but it is a ton of work.
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Eric[IL]
Orange Level Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Illinois Points: 485 |
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Back in 2003, I hired a local rural farmer/tractor painter for $1200 to sand blast frame & wheels, putty any dents in the hood, fenders, & dash, plus new decals on a 1961 JD 3010 (sorry AC). I explained to him that I wanted to use it for farming, so not to go overboard. Anyway, he ended up removing the hood & painting the engine, starter, Alternator up real nice. He also painted underneath in the belly area. I have noticed in a few belly areas that he did not get all gunk removed, but still very nice for the money. I am still very pleased with it. I guess that $1500-1750 should be enough for a good paint job today??
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jaybmiller
Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Greensville,Ont Points: 23051 |
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Paint and painting is the easy part, PREPARATION is the pain and MUST be done RIGHT.There's no cents in spraying $300 paint over a 'not prepped' right tractor, or car, or truck.
Neighbour is a 'bodyman'.I can't praise him enough for the talent the kid has.Can spot almost any defects,repaint scams,wrong colour by a tint or two,etc. a mile away.
What I've learned from him could fill a book or two but the bottom line is that prepping the vehicle is where the time and effort MUST go.Splashing paint is easy,mix,shoot,wait,shoot some more,then cleanup....
my 2 cents today..
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Steve in NJ
Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Andover, NJ Points: 11885 |
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That's a tough question. As everyone said above, type of paint used, materials, and most of all TIME spent for cleaning and prep is $. The ole' saying "time is money" applies here thats for sure. I have a couple guys that I've been dealing with for years for paint and body work, and for sandblasting. They both do a great job for me, and they are very resonable being I've been sending my customer's cars, and rods to them for years. And now occasionally send one of my Tractors to get done. Even though I do the disassembly, steam cleaning and degreasing, along with shooting the engine and drivelines when they come back, you still can get quite a bit of dough tied up in materials. I leave the sheetmetal work and paint work to my body man. The sandblaster gets the running gear when I'm done degreasing. When I added everything up that it cost me to do the IB, it made my knees knock! It greatly depends what you want for an end result....
Steve@B&B
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7060
Orange Level Joined: 16 Sep 2009 Location: Missouri Points: 1148 |
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They make a alkalide enamel paint that you don't use primer with. We really like it, since you dont have to prime. We have painted a 800 bushel grain cart and getting ready to paint a lowboy with it. You can get it in pre-mixed colors or have them custom mix it to patch your paint for around 40 dollars more per gallon. The have a pre-mix kubota orange, the paint chip looks very similar to my 7060. I can't remember how much the pre-mix is per gallon though. We sandblast everything, and then blow it off and use laquor thinner to wipe it all down before paint. Im not sure that they have the cream for the wheels and such though.
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boscoe
Silver Level Joined: 23 Jan 2010 Location: ND Points: 165 |
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my tractor is quite clean, I have gone through the tractor from front to back and cleaned when I was doing the fixing, but has rusty fenders. The hood ,front end, wheel hubs and frame are rusty but not bad at all. I would post a picture but the puter always says the picture is too large. I also would do alot of the prep, as far as taking off hood, front grill, guages and taping what I dont want painted. Thanks for all the feedback.
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Sandknob
Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Oblong, IL Points: 2456 |
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Boscoe,
Is the sheetmetal strait (ne dents, creases, etc)? The fenders are going to be the big $$ as they are usually rusted thru and the new ones (I have heard) are not really restoration quality. If you mask everything and do some prep work it will save a lot of time and money. Just remember to take good notes/pics so whoever puts it back together can get it right. If you want to make it look good and last and show it some I do recomend PPG paints (preferably the old OMNI line - actually Shopline now). Its fairly resonable priced and will get you the base/clearcoat that will protect it for years to come.
Here is a picture of a Super H I restored for another customer about two years ago using PPG OMNI/Shopline paint. If I remember correctly it was about $2000 to do it. Feel free to call if you have any questions 618-943-0161.
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Adam
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Sandknob
Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Oblong, IL Points: 2456 |
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Some before pics
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Brian Jasper co. Ia
Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Prairie City Ia Points: 10508 |
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I painted an Oliver 60 and spent about $500 on paint. (Napa Crossfire urethane) Like others have said, spraying the paint is the easy part. Removing dents, rust, rust pits, etc is the hard work. Painted over grease is painted over grease...
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boscoe
Silver Level Joined: 23 Jan 2010 Location: ND Points: 165 |
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As abused as this tractor was the sheet metal is very straight, probably the best quality of the tractor , one dent in the one fender. The fenders are probably thin , I am not going to replace them. This tractor will be used for odd jobs , auger, road drag, etc, and will probably sit outside from time to time. It wont be a show tractor but I still want it to look nice, I dont want paint that changes color in two years.
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Sandknob
Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Oblong, IL Points: 2456 |
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Well good quality paint and primer are a necessity then. Clearcoat would be an added bonus. Automotive paint does not fade (it will eventully, but more like 15-20 years vs. 2-4yrs) like implement enamel will. Pictures would be a big help to us if you have any.
Adam
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Brian Jasper co. Ia
Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Prairie City Ia Points: 10508 |
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If it's going to be left outside, and you don't want it to fade, do a base coat/clear coat paint job. I did my CA with enamel and 3 years later, boy did it fade.
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"Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government take care of him better take a closer look at the American Indian." Henry Ford
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Larry(OH)
Orange Level Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Shreve Ohio Points: 1577 |
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i help my neighbor with this kind of stuff and recently did a D-17 farm use paint job. Steam clean, blast everything but sheet metal, sand sheet metal and lighter metal parts, prime and paint 1750.00. Took two of us about 2 weeks to do. I help him as relaxation from the everyday grind. it all depends on paint, etc just like everyone says. The sheet metal is the real pain getting dings and rust fixed up. Having and owning the right equipment helps him out also. Mt Hope tractor in Holmes Co Ohio does real nice restorations. EVERYTHING comes apart and is rebuilt, engines overhauled, etc and he wont let a customer leave old tires on. If the customer says they will be OK, then he will not do it. I asked about a 45 paint job and to sand, prime and paint was 6500.00 PLUS paint!! Needless to say, I left in a hurry but he has a 2 year waiting list for people to get them done.
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AndrewGubbels
Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: nebraska Points: 1499 |
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we just charge by the hour when we paint tractors for people. It also
depends how far down someone wants it taken to paint. We have charged
anywhere from $1500 to $5000 and on up if you want mechanical work done
also. I post a few paint jobs below. Like was said earlier we do not
let anything leave unless it looks the way we want it also.
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Andrew Gubbels
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