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    Posted: 26 Feb 2010 at 8:49am
I had a C transmission on the workbench that sounded like it was coming appart in any gear. I quickly found the problem. The front mainshaft bearing was put in backwards.
    Everything else looked OK. I did change out the mainshaft with one that had better splines on the input end and put in 3 new seals. Filled it with #90 and put it back in the the C. It is quiet in first, reverse and third. Growls in second.
    What could I have  missed when I fixed the obvious problem.  I should have gone into it deeper and plan to do so today after i get it out and back on the bench
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Lots of them are noisy in second, since that's the gear that is used the most in field work.  The flanks of the teeth get worn flat and they start to sing.  Heavy oil will dampen the racket somewhat, but it is by no means the best fix.  Another problem area in these transmissions is the rolled sheetmetal spacer on the main shaft.  The ends of the spacer wear easily, and then main shaft end play increases rapidly, which in turn causes the flanks of the gears to wear faster.  I made up a spool shaped spacer when I rebuilt the transmission in my C.  Now the mainshaft is tight, but second gear still howls...
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    I have virtually removed all mainshaft end play by eliminating all main shaft shims and the gasket. All the gears on the mainshaft turn together because they are splined. I think the spacer is OK because it is just a spacer between two gears that don't turn against each other more than the splines allow. My sleeve  may have worn by hammering some when the main shaft was in full float mode with no load on the bearings. I have no clue how long this C ran in that condition.   
    I have at least 6 other spare gear boxes still together and in pieces that at one time or another sat with water in them. In spite of that it is suprizing to find that the guts aren't  totally rusted together and gears, shafts and bearings are probably still useable.
      Right now I wonder if it is worth the time to go back and pull the C back apart to remedy the second gear howl.
     Two gears are meshing in second and both have to be good for maximum quiet. Third is pretty quiet so I'm thinking second gear on the main shaft is real culprit especially if it was used much in second with the floppy mainshaft.  I hate to pull the pinion shaft and have to readjust it because I think it can't be adjusted proper if the ring gear and carrier is in the case. I did notice that when I replaced the axle seals there were more shims on the left than on the right. What I read is those shim stacks should be EQUAL? .
    I guess its time to go back into it from top to bottom and make it as right as possible.
     I got spoiled by how quiet the gears were in the 38 B Gary and I restored without doing more than changing the oil seals and oil in the tranny/diff case.
     When this C tranny is as Quiet as possible I have 5 more to check out. A 39 B is next.
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