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kinghunter 
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Posted: 12 Feb 2010 at 11:46am |
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I have an allis 190 it has a clang sound in the rearend only in 4th gear. as you drive it, it clang,clang,clang does anyone have any idea what it might be thanks is it serious or is it something that can be fixed simple?
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Skyhighballoon(MO)
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Posted: 12 Feb 2010 at 12:11pm |
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Does it have spin-out rims? If so are all the bolts tight on the clamps for each rail? Mike
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Posted: 12 Feb 2010 at 4:48pm |
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no spin out rims but didnt think about that i will check that. and let ya know. figured it would do it in other gears if that. just was worried.
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Posted: 12 Feb 2010 at 5:27pm |
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IS IT A CLANG or a tick tick tick .. had 190xt that did that ................
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Posted: 12 Feb 2010 at 5:27pm |
Does it have A-C sectional wheel weights? I had a knock once and one of them was loose.
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Posted: 12 Feb 2010 at 6:52pm |
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it is a clang clang clang only in 4 low side and high side. no other gear. and no wheel weights i have checked everything. to make sure nothing was loose. now im getting nervous
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Posted: 12 Feb 2010 at 7:44pm |
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Is it a straight 190 with small axles??? or a 190XT....
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Posted: 12 Feb 2010 at 7:50pm |
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it is a straight 190 deisel not a XT version.
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Posted: 12 Feb 2010 at 8:00pm |
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And are the rear axles 2 3/4" diameter or 3 1/4"???????
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Posted: 12 Feb 2010 at 8:03pm |
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2 3/4 diameter.
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Posted: 12 Feb 2010 at 8:05pm |
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Then you have a 190 prior to sn 9001, which has the orphan transmission/rearend gears and shafts. Good luck finding any parts.
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Posted: 12 Feb 2010 at 8:21pm |
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it is a 1964 model serial number 2068-d i believe. and what you mean by an orphan transmission and rearend gears.
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Posted: 12 Feb 2010 at 8:22pm |
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could he change to a 190XT rear if need be just wondering for future info
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Posted: 12 Feb 2010 at 8:35pm |
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Yes and no....a complete 190XT rearend will roll right into place, but the gearing is all wrong. A really old 190 is geared 1-2, 3-5, 4-6, 7-8.........all XT's and later 190's with 3 1/4" axles are geared 1-2, 3-4, 5-6, 7-8. Everything in the trans and rearend of a prior to sn9001 190 is unique to them. Nothing else from any other model or s/n fits. This is what the first XT's had, and all that stuff was removed and thrown away and converted to heavier/stronger stuff to be able to hold up to 95 hp. They never updated the 190's, as 75 hp didn't hurt anything like 95 hp did.
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Posted: 12 Feb 2010 at 8:38pm |
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Thank you for the info DrAllis
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Posted: 12 Feb 2010 at 8:41pm |
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ok we have a allis chalmers junk yard here in missouri with over 1000 different allis chalmers in it, and gleaners my ? is on the orphan trans and rearend does that mean the shafts are run in and out of both. or does it mean there seperate. i am not very familiar with the 190 series we have D19 and D17s but these two 190s we bought are a learning experience. my dads i believe is the xt model it has bigger axle and a turbo while mine has no turbo and has a smaller axle petruding. any help with how this works would help so i kinda know what to do with it.
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Posted: 13 Feb 2010 at 8:26am |
I have seen the axle caps come loose on a series 3 xt; that makes a clang when it gets in the ring + pinion and not good for the cap ; but I dont know if a small rear tractor has them ; mine didnt do it all the time - just enough for me too think somethings going on in there ; you would have hyd. oil in the bull gear compartment too ; You may pull the trans top off and check the 4 th gear , a bearing could be getting bad ;sound travels ; I got a 180 that has a 2 nd gear groan thats only in 2 nd ; where in Mo are ya ?
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Posted: 13 Feb 2010 at 10:32am |
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If you pull your top cover on your shifter you will know a lot more. I have a straight 190, not XT, serial number 5412D that has the light axle's 2 3/4 inch and has the updated transmission main shaft that became effective at SN 9001. There is a noticeable difference in third and forth gear shift collar that will help you identify what you have for sure at least.
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Posted: 13 Feb 2010 at 12:10pm |
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What do you have to do to update a early transmission?
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Posted: 13 Feb 2010 at 5:32pm |
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Let's see if I remember....replace every gear and shaft in the transmission (eight gears..two shafts), all bearings/cups, replace the ring and pinion gearset, replace both bull gears and bull pinion gears, replace both axles, replace all four gears ahead of the Power Director clutch, and I think the entire shift cover including forks/rails were also replaced. I also remember a thing with really old serial numbers that the mainshaft pinion bearing bore is too small to accept the later updated brg which has a bigger OD, so you can't make the conversion without a newer rearend housing.
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Posted: 13 Feb 2010 at 9:12pm |
Thanks Dr Allis for the info
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Posted: 13 Feb 2010 at 11:44pm |
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I want to think everyone for there information I am going to take the cover off the rearend next weekend and take a look i have check the transmission today with top removed everything looked good. i pulled the rearend plug on the left side and got some metal shavings. I think i got it narrowed down to one side now and i guesse ill be taking my chances. Also i live just 1 hour south of KC for whoever was asking, I called the allis junk yard up the road he said he had some used parts for them models. wish me luck and thanks to everyone.
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