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GregLawlerMinn 
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Posted: 21 Jan 2010 at 10:56am |
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I have a rear mount (3 pth) snowblower that I would like to mount on the front of my D14 tractor. Have a drive shaft, pto chain off pto to the shaft and brackets to mount. I am in need of an inline reversing gearbox (1:1) so the blower will go in the right direction. Any help/suggestions to locate one would be appreciated.
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Creek Jenkins
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Posted: 21 Jan 2010 at 12:06pm |
Greg -
I have a Lorenz blower made in Benson. MIne is rear mounted, but I see in their brochure thingy they make a front mount kit that uses a reversing gearbox off the PTO. So instead of an inline and chain drive they do it all in the gearbox. Dunno how much they would nick you for the gearbox though.
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Posted: 21 Jan 2010 at 12:11pm |
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A year or so ago someone posted their solution to reversing the drive by using a chain drive. They used an idler sprocket below the drive sprocket and mounted the shaft and driven sprocket between the two so that the driven sprocket was driven off the back side of the chain to reverse the direction of the driven shaft.
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Dave (NE)
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Posted: 21 Jan 2010 at 7:08pm |
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Why not run it off the hydraulics like the bobcat setup? I've been told it is a lot easier hookup and takes a lot less horse power. Dave
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Posted: 21 Jan 2010 at 9:24pm |
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Dave, the D14 high pressure low volume hydraulic system probably would not have enough flow to power the blower.
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Matt (Jordan,MN)
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Posted: 22 Jan 2010 at 12:27am |
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My grandfather used to have a snowblower on front of the Wd45 and it was driven off the belt pulley. You removed the pulley and used a sprocket and a #60 roller chain. If you have the belt pulley on the D14 you could do something like it. The only problem they had was when my uncle was building his house he didn't clean up before it snowed and granpa ran a 2x6 in the blower. It didn't wreak the blower but it did take the teeth off both gears in the belt pulley drive. He wasn't happy that he had to split the tractor to fix it. Matt
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Posted: 22 Jan 2010 at 7:57am |
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there was a picture on here last week about V8 and other engine conversions. One of the tractors had a hydraulic pump driven out of the belt pulley hole. That may be a good way to drive a front mount snowblower. hydraulics would be easier than a long ,reversing driveshaft I would think.
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Posted: 22 Jan 2010 at 9:01am |
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So the D17 IV hydraulic system may work to operate a snow blower?
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PennsylvaniaNewt
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Posted: 22 Jan 2010 at 9:22am |
Does anyone make a pto driven hydraulic pump with a seperate hydraulic motor for a one to one ratio. I would think it would be easy for a company to make (basically one turn on the pump would be one turn of the hydraulic motor a fluid connection/transfer of power).
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Posted: 22 Jan 2010 at 10:56am |
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What about a pump off of a hydro swing haybine?
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GregLawlerMinn
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Posted: 23 Jan 2010 at 9:12am |
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Thanks to all for the suggestions. Contacted Lorenz and was informed they want $1,188 for the gearbox. Don't have enough room to set up an idler gear for running the drive shaft off the back side of the chain. Since I have very limited funding, the hydraulic pump, motor, valving, hoses, fittings are out of the question. Guess I will continue to dream as I look over my shoulder blowing snow.
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Posted: 23 Jan 2010 at 10:45am |
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Could two or three small idler gears, not necessarily one big one. Just need to get the driven sprocket to have a third to half wrap. For that matter the driving sprocket could be the one on the back of the chain with the idler(s) above the PTO shaft.
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Posted: 23 Jan 2010 at 12:15pm |
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I can't remember who posted their chain drive set up but there were several photos and it didn't seem to take up much space. It seemed to be mounted on a smaller tractor like the D14. It was posted on the old site so possibly someone knows who it was and they could get them to post the pictures again and give us an update as to how well it is working.
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Posted: 23 Jan 2010 at 12:37pm |
Don
I posted the chain drive and front mount snowblower setup that I fabbed up for a CA several years ago. It had a 5' snowblower run off an old Allis sickle mower frame/drive shaft. It worked pretty good in lite snow; however the chain would skip on the driveshaft gear when the snow was heavier. I believe it would have worked better if there was enough room to engage more teeth on the drive shaft gear.
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Posted: 23 Jan 2010 at 12:40pm |
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twisted belts like for a mower deck may be possible.
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Posted: 23 Jan 2010 at 12:56pm |
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Greg there is where a second idler off to the right would help a lot.
Either to add more wrap around the bottom or around the top, either place. Around the top might be better so the loose chain between idler and driven sprocket is short and so harder to deflect off the teeth.
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Posted: 23 Jan 2010 at 1:05pm |
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You guys have great eyes!! There would be room for another idler gear above and to the right of the drive pulley in the picture. Will double check the setup for my D14 again to see if I can install two idler gears and obtain about 1/2 gear engagement on the drive pulley. P/S, did try twisted belts originally; however the belts would not handle the power.
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Posted: 23 Jan 2010 at 1:09pm |
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I'm betting a hydraulic pump off of either the pto or belt pulley would be cheaper. I took a 4' 3 point hitch blower, and converted it to mount on front of my ASV RC30. The thing to do is to go to Surpluscenter.com, they have lots of pumps and motors. They also have good tech help, and a page which explains all the hydraulic math formulas needed to design the system. The motor I needed for my contraption ended up costing less than $300.
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Posted: 23 Jan 2010 at 9:19pm |
How exspensive would it be to take power off the front of the engine with an electric pto clutch mounted on the snow blower end (like what is used on lawnmowers) to engage/disengage power
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Posted: 23 Jan 2010 at 10:20pm |
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Hmmm - I was thinking about some sort of direct drive off the front of the engine, too. Gear it down some to get some leverage, so to speak. Would seem to be cheaper if you can avoid all the engineering to reverse the rotation and get the power from the back to the front....
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Posted: 23 Jan 2010 at 10:24pm |
 This is one of Eldon's realatives tractor, for some reason the pic of the front won't come up.
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Posted: 24 Jan 2010 at 5:29am |
 PennsylvaniaNewt wrote:
How exspensive would it be to take power off the front of the engine with an electric pto clutch mounted on the snow blower end (like what is used on lawnmowers) to engage/disengage power
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Problems with that are speed is engine rpms, and if you lift the blower, you have to figure a way to keep your belt from getting slack. Also electric clutches have a horsepower limitation, not sure what it is but my guess would be about 30 HP. Front mounted hyd pump is another option, if you can find the hardware to attach the pump to the front of the engine.
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Posted: 24 Jan 2010 at 2:58pm |
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Greg, what if you run the shaft forward first then reverse it in a place with more room. I too was thinking another idler would work to give you more wrap of the chain around the sprocket.
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