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farmer_rob 
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Posted: 05 Dec 2009 at 7:35pm |
can anyone tell me why allis frames were longer on the wc/wd/wd45's. i realize it was easier once the desiels came out having the longer frames. but that said that was a very long time to be making long frames for nothing. was it a case of making the tractor longer for better balance??? making it longer make it have a smoother ride??
just wondering rob
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steve(ill)
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Posted: 05 Dec 2009 at 8:02pm |
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i have also wondered that same question. why the big chunk out in front of the radiator?
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ChuckLuedtkeSEWI
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Posted: 05 Dec 2009 at 8:38pm |
Do you think it was because of the attached implements? Like on the WC, they had the hookup locations in front of the radiator for the cultivators to slide into, and then the weight of the cultivators were right on top of the front wheels. And then the trend carried through to the rest of the line. I guess the WD/WD45 cultivators had those different mounting brackets but it did keep it further forward of the radiator as well.
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Posted: 05 Dec 2009 at 8:46pm |
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ok chuck thats a good idea but thats an awfull long time to using that design . those tractors didnt get power steering till the mid yrs in the wd45's. just wondering what was the real function for the long frame .
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norm [ind]
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Posted: 05 Dec 2009 at 8:48pm |
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farmer_rob
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Posted: 05 Dec 2009 at 9:09pm |
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i know both gas and diesel farmes r the same lenght.. my question is why did they go with the longer frames so long before coming out with the diesels
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Eldon (WA)
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Posted: 05 Dec 2009 at 9:15pm |
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My guess would be that they needed to put the pedestal out in front of the engine and that is where it wound up after allowing for a front mount pump.
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Don(MO)
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Posted: 06 Dec 2009 at 8:41am |
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I'll stir this pot a little, Put a tape to a WD and then do the same thing to a 400 Farmall and then a 60 John Deere and you will find the WD is about the same wheel base, Maybe a little shorter. And if you don't have some weight on the front end, The tractor's front end will be up in the air all the time. I like to play with colors on here! LOL
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Eldon (WA)
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Posted: 06 Dec 2009 at 10:49am |
Well I have been thinking about this and now I'm more apt to believe it was because of the row crop configuration starting back with the WC. Based on the rear wheel spacing needed to cultivate corn, the front wheels had to be out that far in order for the rear wheels to follow the track of the front wheels while turning. I've seen literature showing a sketch of the WC with front mount cultivator turning at the end of a field of check-rowed corn and the path of the wheels doesn't touch a single plant.....maybe a little bit of wishful thinking, but on paper it looked good!
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Don Smith
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Posted: 06 Dec 2009 at 11:46am |
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Gentleman: The reason The wc wd wd45 RC are long framed is a QUESTION OF BALANCE! More weight on front wheels Less wheel float in a hard pull. I hope this load of Bull Sh%#t Puts your brain to thinking strange toughts. Don in Indiana. THINK SPRING!
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Posted: 06 Dec 2009 at 3:13pm |
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Could it be that the mounting slightly ahead of the front wheels ment that correcting the alignment for rows while cultivating was easier. The front bolster being forward and spacing the radiator back for room to mount the cultivators would do this. This WAS mainly a row crop, cultivating tractor.
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Posted: 08 Dec 2009 at 6:50am |
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The wheelbase of a WD is 88 inches while a M and Super M are at 84 inches. I'd bet a JD A is also a shorter wheelbase and I know my Massey 30 is shorter (like about 8-10"). Maybe that's one reason why a WD can outperform most others in the field. TB helps too.
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Scott(SC)
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Posted: 08 Dec 2009 at 8:28am |
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I would say space for cultavators, weight displacement, and more leverage for turning pull behind equipment. We have a 20 disk 3 point harrow that almost raises the front on the MF 135. My D14 can handle it with ten cement blocks added on it.
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Posted: 08 Dec 2009 at 1:10pm |
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Had to be a good reason since a WF doesn't have that extra length in front.
Whatever the reason is, maybe it is the same reason why Case DC and SC tractors have their pedestals way out front of the grill
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Posted: 08 Dec 2009 at 1:52pm |
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It's a great place to set tools or other objects when performing work on the tractor:)
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