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BrianC
Orange Level Joined: 16 Jun 2011 Location: New York Points: 1619 |
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Posted: 16 Jul 2021 at 8:16am |
Looking for an Allis-Chalmers 160 tractor temperature sender. P/N 72073890 stamped "OS88 1N 12v" on the hex flats Has 18Mx1.5 threads and 21mm hex.
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Dave (NE)
Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Eagle Nebraska Points: 2148 |
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I also have needed one of those for several years, so if there is a source, I am interested too. Glad you started this post!
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Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience. Mark Twain.
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SteveM C/IL
Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Shelbyville IL Points: 8294 |
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Are you saying AGCO can't supply it?
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BrianC
Orange Level Joined: 16 Jun 2011 Location: New York Points: 1619 |
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Years? oh boy. That's how long it took me to find the steering wheel hubcap. What I suspect is maybe Allis had OS supply the sender to match the instrument cluster. Cluster says "OS made in France" on the dial. The sender is stamped OS88 1N 12V. In internet searching for pictures of the Renault R50 series, I found a shot of the Renault tractor instrument cluster. It was the same instrument cluster only graphics in french. But the original Renault tractor had an air cooled MW diesel. Perhaps they run hotter, so a special sender was needed for the 160's Perkins (liquid cooled) engine to match the existing instrument cluster. That is all conjecture, but maybe close to the truth. Good news is I have been planning to find a substitute. So I did a little checking. What does the temp gauge in that fancy OS instrument cluster need? The wire to the sender is the ground side of the gauge. The temperature sender starts out with high resistance when cold, then drops as the coolant gets hot. So the pointer moves as more current flows. I obtained an 2watt potentiometer, substituted that for my sender to see what value ohms moves the temp gauge to where on the dial. Results: 650 ohms pointer on the last black (cool) hash mark 280 ohms pointer standing straight up 140 ohms pointer just entering the red 33 ohms pointer hits mechanical stop in the red. More good news- I have a spare cluster and I checked that also, it was essentially the same readings. There are 18Mx1.5 to NPT adapters on the market. We need that and the sender from (a what??) and all should be good. I guess when the pointer is straight up that should be 190 degrees? So we need to find a sender that gives 280 ohms at 190 degrees. So if we are lucky, someone will chime in with knowledge of sender ohms vs temperature mappings. It could be the sender from a 1967 chevy six that is a good match. Who knows? Would need to be 1/8 or 1/4 NPT to match the adapter bushings I see out there. Also, my sender is not dead, just off, I get to the red at just 180 degrees. I was kicking around the idea of adding a trimming resistor... Sorry, a little long winded. |
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BrianC
Orange Level Joined: 16 Jun 2011 Location: New York Points: 1619 |
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Struck out at 2 official AGCO suppliers, and 3 places that have been good at finding the odd stuff. I posted the part number...
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AC720Man
Orange Level Joined: 10 Oct 2016 Location: Shenandoah, Va Points: 4964 |
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Brian, you have tried finding a used one?
Edited by AC720Man - 16 Jul 2021 at 10:05pm |
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1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD
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Steve in NJ
Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Andover, NJ Points: 11852 |
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What type of sender is that Brian? Spade or stud? I might be able to come up with somethin' here. Not sure yet...... Steve@B&B
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BrianC
Orange Level Joined: 16 Jun 2011 Location: New York Points: 1619 |
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Sender is stud (.16 dia.) . Wire is 1/4" spade. They have a stud to spade adapter clip. Along with the M18x1.5 machine threads there is an o-ring in thermostat housing and copper washer. Page 40 in the Agco parts book.
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BrianC
Orange Level Joined: 16 Jun 2011 Location: New York Points: 1619 |
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I found one at All States Ag Parts in Mcfarland California. They have a sort of recent 160 in for salvage. I just did internet search for "salvaged Allis Chalmers 160" or such. Sensor works well. It is slightly different and marked Jaeger OS 78890 07 M18x1,5 A3 12v. Has spade connector. Turning this into a science project, I mapped Ohms vs temperature: 100F=1247ohms 110F=970 ohms 120F=762 ohms 130F=622 ohms 140F=538 ohms 150F=432 ohms 160F=360 ohms 170F=296 ohms 180F=248 ohms 190F=213 ohms 200F=184 ohms 210F=166 ohms Didn't find much information on Jaeger. Made in France. This information will hopefully allow someone to suggest an alternate part, easier to obtain. |
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AC720Man
Orange Level Joined: 10 Oct 2016 Location: Shenandoah, Va Points: 4964 |
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Good info Brian, glad you found one.
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1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD
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