Know what ticks me off the most about Agco

There is an old saying: " Money talks...and bullsh*t walks!" I hate to see the orange tractor line go...really irks me...AGCO tractors are the spawn of Allis-Chalmers and now that is all going to end. There are money hungry bastards at the top that care nothing about loyalty. They care about one thing $$$$$$$...they could market their orange tractors a hell of a lot better then they are. It is some little Hitler prick over in Germany that is getting a fat head and is going to sever a lot of loyalty to this brand.  AGCO needs to change the acronym...AGCO:  All Great Companies Ostracized

IG, if they succeed in killing the orange tractor you can bet the Gleaner will be next.  You will see a letter to the dealers saying something to this efffect.  Do to a changing market we can no longer promote three combines and will be phasing out the Gleaner line.   We at Massey-Challenger hope you understand and appericate your past years of Gleaner business.  All the Gleaner features can be found in our new wonderful line of Massey- Challenger combines. 

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IG I got a letter from Todd Stucke saying the same thing, essentially, in June so I got my ST stuff.  That ticks me off too. So either they are lying, (WHICH I HATE), or they are inept at planning for the future which tells me they won't be around long anyway. 

Spud.  I think the thing which I think, which you probably don't, is that this is not a cost saving measure.  And, I don't believe their numbers.  That's where we stand.  To me the only thing that makes sense is that it's a European wanting a European name in NA, the glory with being with CAT and wanting a big company for pride.  Spud, if it were a cost saving measure they would've dumped CAT a long time ago.  I think they made money with CAT for the first time last year and it was modest.  AGCO orange has outsold red and yellow 4 to 1 in large tractor sales.  How is it a cost saving measure?

All corporations do this.  They put money and expenses in places with their accounting to justify moves they want to make and manipulate stock price.  They say they lost money on manure spreaders but they haven't changed the design for 20 years and they still sell them.  Where would the expense be?  Where do you think they get the money to pay their multi million dollar salaries?  It comes from the NA sales because, as of now, US corporations don't pay tax on income from foreign sales.  So they put their expenses on the NA books to show a loss or small gain so they don't have to pay as much tax.

Either way.  We all may be at a minority but it's my opinion that this will hurt their NA sales at a time where they don't need any more pain.  Their stock price has been devalued and has gone down about 60% from it's high.  They've just invested millions in a new tractor design and the economy tanked, (think AC).  The US dollar is going to continue to devalue increasing tractors prices in the US.  This will make the very little price difference between them and Deere disappear and go negative.  That will effect sales.  They most likely won't be in a position to open a new US factory, with liquid capital being a premium, and will become more of a global brand and less of a US brand.   Their only US made product that sells overseas will do well, (CAT Tracked stuff), but not enough to overcome NA loses.  This, along with the tax code changing making foreign sales taxable, will prompt AGCO to move it's headquarters to Europe.  Maybe at this time, after seeing NA sales dwindle, they will sell naming rights and parts sales for old AC, Oliver and MM equipment to get some capital.  Anyway, it's just a guess but as they say history repeats itself.

Spud,

It makes good fiscal sense to open a tractor plant in the US.  With the Euro worth $1.50, everything they import from overseas is costing 50% more then it did a couple years ago.